Good evening, everyone. Today is Tuesday, October 21st, 2025. We have our regular council meeting. We'll call the meeting to order. Let's have a Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one, and indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Are we guys a crowd in? I think they are here to receive the, okay. Let's taste the chai. Okay. Yeah, so we are waiting for the crowd to come in and sit down because we have presentations and the proclamations and many of them are receivers. Please come in and take a seat. To invite everybody coming, take a seat. Can we make sure we got everyone here? So we have our presentation and the proclamations. Agenda item 3.1 is a presentation of Diwali proclamation. October 2025, that's yesterday, marked the annual occurrence of Diwali, a festival of lights celebrated in autumn of each year by Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, and others around the world. Diwali is celebrated by lighting the diya, or oil lamp, which symbolizes dispelling darkness and bringing light into life with traditional offerings, rituals, and festivals. And today we have parties here to accept the proclamations from Hindu American Foundation, and Trivadi Hindu Connect Association of Hindu Americans and the Silicon Valley Asian Association. So there's four groups of people, and each of you, you can come forward. If you want to take a speech, please, you can do so. Ramya, come over. Thank you. Thank you so much. Good evening, Mayor, City Council members and city staff. My name is Ramya Ramakrishnan, and I've been a Dublin resident for the last 10 years. And today I'm also here as the National Director of Community Outreach at the Hindu American Foundation. We are a non-profit, non-partisan 501c3. advocacy and education organization. Thank you for issuing not one but two meaningful proclamations during the month of October. We are very grateful to the city for facilitating a reception this year. It was wonderful to socialize and chat with everyone. I know that everybody appreciated the opportunity to gather and experience the spirit of Diwali, which is finding joy and connection and spending time with neighbors and friends. And I'm sure everybody here in this room knows about Diwali and the significance. But for those who may not know, here's a quick summary. Diwali or Deepavali, as I would call, means a row of lights. And it's the biggest and most widely celebrated Hindu festival in the world. It's a very positive, joyous, colorful and unifying festival. which is also celebrated by Buddhists, Jains, and Sikhs. Diwali is celebrated to commemorate the victory of light over dark, knowledge over ignorance, and good over evil. The celebrations can vary significantly depending on which part of India you're originally from, but there are several practices that are common across many traditions, which is lighting the oil lamps called diyas, and decorating with rangoli, either used flowers or rice flour, and wearing new clothes, going to the temple, offering special prayers, eating a lot of desserts, enjoying with your family and friends, and so on. So, you know, a big part of Diwali when I was growing up, and it still is, is lighting fireworks. Of course, legal and safe fireworks, and we hope that that can happen in Dublin sometime soon. The traditions may vary, but really the essence of the beautiful festival is the same, which is the symbolic victory of goodness over evil. The spiritual significance of Diwali is about awakening the light within us in our hearts. It's about finding joy, hope, courage, and positivity from within and sharing this with others to uplift each other. This year, Diwali feels extra special for a couple of reasons. Reason number one, you already know, we had our very own huge Diwali event this past Saturday at Emerald Glen, thanks to the city's support. And also because some of the amazing volunteers who are here, like Ambuj, Naveen, and many others whose name I'm not going to mention, but these were the people who made it happen, so huge kudos. And our mayor came in a sari. That was wonderful as well. Thank you for being a big part of our celebration. The other big reason Diwali feels very special this year is because AB 268 was signed into law by Governor Newsom, and Diwali is now officially a state holiday. And starting next year, K-12 schools and community colleges can close for Diwali. This bill also encourages schools to adopt a Diwali curriculum guide promoting education, understanding, and inclusion. The Hindu American Foundation played a vital role in this bill's passing by working directly with the bill's authors, Assemblymember Darshana Patel and Assemblymember Ash Kalra, by providing testimony at legislative hearings in Sacramento multiple times, by spearheading a coalition of interfaith organizations, and submitting support letters. The state of California has now has the most robust and inclusive Diwali legislation in the entire country. Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight, and thank you for the proclamation. Thank you. First, to do a speech first, and then we'll give proclamation to all of you together. Okay, thank you. So we'll organize this way. So next one, we have Naveen Rajapada from Trivali Hindu Connect. My daughter will be speaking. Good evening, honorable mayor, council members, and esteemed guests. My name is Anushka Sharma. I'm in 11th grade, and I'm here today as a proud volunteer representing Tri-Valley Hindu Connect. I would like to extend our heartfelt gratitude to the city of Dublin for graciously supporting and partnering with us to host the first-ever city-supported Diwali celebration. This landmark event was a resounding success, warming... warmly embraced by the community. We were thrilled to welcome over 6,000 attendees, a testament to the vibrant diversity and unity that defines Dublin. The atmosphere was electric, filled with joy, color, and cultural pride. Diwali, the festival of light, symbolizes their triumph of light over darkness and good over evil. It commemorates the homecoming of Lord Rama after 14 years in exile, a story deeply rooted in the values of righteousness, resilience, and hope. Our celebration was a beautiful culture amalgamation of East and West, featuring classical Indian dance forms like Bharatanatyam and Kathak. alongside the energetic rhythms of Bollywood. A highlight of the event was the majestic 35-foot chariot carrying Lord Rama and Lord Jagannath with a replica of the sacred Ram temple on display, bringing a piece of spiritual heritage to the heart of Dublin. This event was more than a celebration. It was a bridge between communities, a moment of shared joy and a reflection of inclusive spirit of our city. On the behalf of Tri-Valley Hindu Connect and the entire Hindu community, community. Thank you for our support, vision, and commitment to cultural diversity. We look forward to many more such collaborations that bring people together and celebrate the rich tapestry of traditions that make Dublin truly special. Thank you very much. We also will give you a little bit later, okay? So we have Association of Hindu Americans, Dr. Ramesh Kanda. Advisor, please come forward. Good evening, everyone. Honorable Mayor Sherry Hu and also honorable council members. My name is Ramesh Konda. I am representing AIA, Association of Indo-Americans, which is a coalition of 50... plus different nonprofit organizations in the Bay Area, which is a large group. And we have large members here representing different organizations. So it's a coalition. So that's a platform, what we call. So we represent a large community. And Diwali, I think Ramya and Navin already spoke You know, I think we are aware about Diwali, so I'll take different way. I'll just speak about our event. AIA hosted largest Diwali in the Alameda County Fairgrounds on October 11th. It was considered as one of the largest in, you know, I think the news channels are calling as America. We had 25,000 plus people. It's a huge event. And it's year over year. It's just not the first year. We had several past years also. And this year, we had the honor of having our mayor, Sherry Hu, and Cathy participate in some cultural programs and also part of the event there. And we are very honored to be here and getting, you know, recognition from all of you. And I know as much as we work in the community, you also work for the city and for us. So please give you know, give them a big round of applause to all the city council members. Thank you for all of your community service and making us inclusive part of the team here. Thank you again. And I would like to have a couple of the people to say a few words. They are from our member organizations, if you don't mind. Just say something. Happy Diwali. My name is Manas Link. I am also a Dublin resident. So thank you. You are doing a great work. Thank you. Happy Diwali to all. My name is Ravi Pochiraju. Again, I've been a resident from 2018, almost seven years. I represent Bata Bay Area Telugu Association. And thank you for the opportunity. And thank you for the inclusiveness. I appreciate that. Thank you. Good. Hello, everyone. Namaste. My name is Harish. I am part of the Patasala Organization with Bay Area Telugu Association and Association of Indo-Americans. Happy to be here today. And I wish you all a happy Diwali. Hey, and I'm Vinoy Meridi. And then year after year, we come here. And then, of course, we go to a lot of cities to get commendations and proclamations. But thanks, Sherry, the way you welcome everybody and the way you say that, hey, how we should all celebrate well is unique. Thank you for that. Thank you. And of course, as of course, it's all the council members. I think it's all everybody's support. And of course, the big Diwali celebration, the Diwali celebration we did in the Alameda Fairgrounds. Awesome. And then we remember Dave was the previous mayor here, and then now he's a supervisor, and then we have all of his support, and then we support him. And so it's really awesome. It's a great combination that's going on. And also, I think more on so many organizations together, we do the AIA, Association of Indo-Americans. There's 45-plus organizations in it. And then... the warmth and welcome we get in Alameda County and then Dublin it's really awesome and so thanks a lot thanks for all this and then we continue to and also we also so many from India when we come here we have festivals we celebrate there but again we have so much opportunity to celebrate a lot more new festivals we do Christmas and you know Eid and other things in India too but again there's so many new festivals like Thanksgiving and other things that we get more involved here and then thanks for all of you getting involved in Indian festivals as well thank you so much thank you all of you So one more thing, if I can add, for the Diwali festival we did, we had a state representation. As you know, Attorney General Rob Bonta was one of the chief guests. I know Council Member Jean was there and Sherry was there and several of the elected officials throughout the Bay Area. There were... 20 plus different elected officials were there to grace the occasion. Thank you. Thank you for giving us this opportunity to be with you on this today. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. So we also have one more organization, Silicon Valley Asian Association, Kathy Zhu. Kathy Zhu, you want to also come over? And just briefly to say... say a few words about your organization oh i'm the president of silicon valley asian association our mission is to um dedicate to celebrate the diversity um it's uh for everyone not only for you know Only one race, but we want to celebrate diversity and to celebrate different multicultural events. We also be partner with AIA and with Hindu Connected. connected to do the Diwali events. And we really honored to be here today and to celebrate the Diwali recognition today together. Yeah, thank you very much. So we want to invite all of you come over to receive the proclamations. Mayor, I need to interrupt. Before we do that, I believe we have a couple of... members of the public that want to speak. Okay. Sorry, we need to do the public speakers before we present the proclamations. I have a public comment, a speaker slip from Abui Trivedi. And happy Diwali to all of you. So again, I just want to call out the last weekend, the Saturday Diwali Mela that we had. Our Naveen and his daughter, they covered a lot. A couple of things I wanted to mention here. So, of course, the Mela and the Diwali celebration, it fosters the diversity and it builds the community together. But I want to call out upon another aspect of this thing. So the economic impact that it has for the city, right? So if you look at what this Mela did to the city, just in like eight hours, the economic, we had about 150K business revenue from that Mela itself, right? We engaged about 100 local businesses and we partnered with about 20 partner organizations, again, all local, most of them. And we also, engaged with 30 arts and performance groups as well. So overall, if we continue to support these initiatives by the local community, it not only fosters the community, builds the community, fosters the diversity, but it also has an economic impact, which is going to be like longstanding and it's going to help the city build its reputation. So, of course, and thank you very much for supporting such events every quarter. So we are looking forward to have another one for Holi as well. Thank you so much. Mayor, I do have one more speaker. Shyam, are you ready? Please come forward. Good morning, Mayor, and other dignities. I am the father of my Vinay Chandra. I came to the United States on 2nd October only. But though I am 75, I never enjoyed Diwali in India. Because the other day on 11th October, really it was a crowd of 25,000. I never participated in India in that much of crowd. Really, I appreciate the local authorities and the organizers of AIA. And I wish a happy Diwali to all others, all the residents of this area. And especially I congratulate AIA for this event. events and also the support given by the local authorities. I have seen nightmares there on that day. Really, I enjoyed that event. Thank you. I have no more speakers. Thank you. So we invite Hindu American Foundation, Tri-Valley Hindu Connect Association of Hindu Americans and Silicon Valley's Asian Association, please come over to receive the proclamations and then we'll take pictures. So we take proclamations from you. We take a group picture first, and then if you want to do individual groups, we can do that. Okay, let's do this way. So you take eight. That's all same. So people take one, and then you take one, and then you take one. So let's see if we can take a group picture together, and then we'll take each group. Okay. And for Hindu American Connect, Hindu American Connect, right? There's one more for you. That's for Lavin, both of them. So this is from me, and I just want to make sure. Yes, yes. I can give you later. So send me an email later. We have to do this first. So make sure you get your face like a present. All right, we'll have a picture first. We have a picture first and then we'll have each group have a picture with us. So that will be a better picture. This is a wonderful big group too. So perfect. So we'll have each group get a chance to take a picture separately. So let's do American Foundation. And then we'll have a next group. Okay. One group at a time now. So bring your other group members. Come over. Are you in this one? Your phone too. I'm gonna give phone to them too. Okay. Perfect, perfect. Thank you, thank you, thank you. We'll have a Tribody Hindu Connect. If you want to take picture, please bring your people over. Over. I'm here for a picture. Stand over here. Okay, it's a big building. We arrange ourselves around you. Space. We go to the space. Don't go anywhere until. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And the Association of Indo-America. Yeah, I'm going back. AIA, come over. We're good. We're good. I think you want to join together. Fethi, just join together. Join together. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all. Yeah, and happy Diwali. Happy Diwali. Thank you, everyone. Okay, let's take one more. Good, thank you. So please take a seat. We still have our next item going on. So you will, I think you will enjoy that. You can leave if you don't want to stay, but if you want to stay, you can take a seat. So our next agenda item 3.2, presentation of Hindu American Awareness and Appreciation Month Proclamation. Hindu American Awareness and Appreciation Month Proclamation. is celebrated annually in the month of October. October is significant because it is a birth month of Mahatma Gandhi and is often when major Hindu holidays such as and Diwali are celebrated. So today we have Hindu American Foundation and the Hindu Swaya civic foundation here, like a two organization here to accept the proclamation. And we want to welcome Ramya. Is Ramya here? Come over. Okay. I'll say a few words. You all don't mind? Yeah. So, honorable mayor, vice mayor, council members, staff, hello, namaste, and good evening. It is an honor to stand before you yet again. We've been here before in this season of light, gratitude, and community to celebrate the Hindu American Awareness and Appreciation Month. California has been home to the largest Hindu American population in the United States for quite some time. Over a decade ago, in 2013, so almost 12 years ago, the Hindu American Foundation worked with state leaders to introduce the first statewide recognition of the Hindu American Awareness and Appreciation Month, a proclamation that has been made several times since. Its purpose was simple but profound, which is to highlight the contributions, culture, and values of Hindus and Hinduism. In the 10 years since, or 12 years since, much has changed for our state and for our city. Some Changes are challenging, but many are deeply positive. And right here in Tri Valley, the change has been especially quite heartening. I often tell my friends that we are blessed with the best of everything in our Tri Valley. The rolling vineyards not too far away from here, our active neighborhoods, the beauty of our parks. and the variety of our local celebrations. And of course, I proudly add that Dublin is the heart of it all. We have some of the most brilliant public art that I've seen locally, quite vibrant neighborhoods, although we see a lot of kids zipping on their electric bikes now, but that's a separate issue. But we also have a growing sense of belonging that reflects the very spirit of our city. We even have the best yoga studio, believe it or not, the best yoga studio anywhere in the Bay Area, right here in Dublin. But what truly makes Dublin special is not just its physical beauty, it's the community. In particular, Hindus now add color to Dublin on Holi and light up the neighborhoods on Diwali. Every year, our connections deepen as neighbors, as friends, and as fellow Dubliners. October holds a special place for Hindu Americans. It is during this month that we celebrate Navratri and Diwali, festivals that honor knowledge, virtue, and the triumph of light over darkness. It is only fitting that this month also celebrates the Hindu American story, a story of harmony, mindfulness, social, cultural, and intellectual vibrancy, and the ideals of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Through the Hindu American Awareness and Appreciation Month Proclamation, we seek to shine the light on the contributions of Hindu Americans that they make every day in the fields ranging from science and medicine to education, business, and public service. We also hope to deepen the understanding of our faith's guiding principles, principles such as compassion, nonviolence, respect for diversity, and reverence for all forms of life. This proclamation is not just recognition of our community, it is a reflection of Dublin's values of inclusion, respect, and shared humanity. It reminds us that when a city acknowledges the heritage of its people, it strengthens the bonds that make the cities thrive. On behalf of the Hindu American Foundation and the many Hindu American families who call Dublin home, I want to express our heartfelt gratitude. Thank you again for your continued friendship. Thank you for attending the Diwali fair last couple of days ago. And thank you for standing with us in friendship. May the light of this season bring wisdom and blessing to all. Thank you and namaste. Thank you. Can you turn from the stairs? It just comes. Yes, this is good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good work. Good work. Thank you. So we also have a HSS, the MBOOT, right? MBOOT Trivadi. I think he's already left. Okay, that's fine. We'll bring this to him later. Thank you. Thank you. And then we'll go ahead to agenda item four, public comment. So at this time, the public is permitted to address the city council on non-agenda items. Please step to the podium and clearly state your name for the record. Comments should now exceed three minutes. Mayor, our first speaker is Bruce Feidler. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. I come to you again this time to offer congratulations to Dublin Police Services for bringing an end to the drug dealing at two local retailers. Although COVID was only five years ago, I'd like to point out that during each year of the pandemic, tobacco-related deaths from cancer, heart attacks, emphysema, strokes, and other ailments equal those who died from COVID. As older tobacco addicts are dying, the drug dealers of the tobacco industry have put all of their efforts into addicting young persons and their prime target, middle school. Dublin was a pioneer in the efforts to protect the public from this most addicted drug with an ordinance to make local restaurants smoke-free back in 1992. And our community continues to move forward with protections for young people who are so easily attracted to vaping especially those products with bubble gum flavors so i urge the city council to continue their support of the dublin police services in these enforcement actions a second and unrelated item on your consent calendar is the acceptance of the slurry seal improvements I live in a community that did hit their streets, slurry sealed, and whatever contractor you found did a great job. So thank you very much. Thank you for your good comments. Thank you, Bruce. Mayor, the next speaker is Mike Grant. Good evening, Mike. Mike Krantz, Guns Unlimited Firearms Training. 36 years in town. I wanted to bring attention to the Dublin Police Services also tonight. And basically with all the crime we've had over the last, I don't know, four or five years and the break-ins and the jewelry stores and all the things that are going on. Obviously, I was out this weekend on Saturday because it was a lot of people in the jewelry stores. And They were all pretty secure. The police cars were moving around town. I also think that Dublin, I want to give Dublin credit for it. I think they were instrumental in breaking this big group up one way or the other. And I think that Vic and the crew really stand out there. Technology's helped us a lot over the years with our camera systems, which I'm glad we're getting them in. Hopefully we can get the permitting done for a bunch of others i found out that they haven't got them all up yet which we need to get these cameras up so we can track these people but uh we also i come back to the same thing i've talked about forever we need to get the community involved the people that want to go out and help take pictures or whatever and report back to dps we don't have enough police on the force everybody wants to argue with me about that one for every thousand um i'm sorry but uh I think that the people that had the jewelry store smashed and bashed over here on Dublin Boulevard, he would probably agree that we probably need to have more police out on the street and just eyes and ears. They can't sit in front of these places all day long and all night. But windows, the neighborhoods, the stuff like that, I think that there's nothing wrong with it. I ask anybody up here, have you done what I've asked you guys to do and check with Danville? Pleasant and all these other places in town or around the country, you know, Palm Desert, they all have citizens driving around in little vehicles, whether it's a pickup truck or a Prius. It doesn't cost much. You don't even pay them. They're volunteers. But obviously they follow under the umbrella of the police department, take directions from them, and they do not engage with the public as far as trying to stop a theft or whatever. It's basically call it in, take a picture, try to get information, and they got more eyes out in these malls and these parking lots. So I highly suggest that. So there you go, Colleen. You got something to do in the future. Let's get that put together and buy a few cars. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Mike. Mayor, the next speaker is Brent Sanji. Good evening. My name is Brent Sanji. I'm here to talk about our city's flag policy. So in a meeting a couple meetings ago, Jean Josie said we don't have a formal policy for when we lower the flag to half staff. We just do it whenever the White House says it. there was a public comment that said to bring back the whole flag policy and so i like the second that for our whole history of our city we always did three flags and then in 2019 there was like completely inappropriate behavior by one small group of people and the majority voted to do three flags but the people on the council in the minority brought it back and that violates our norms completely and so i'd like to put it on a future agenda item that we revisit the flag policy how many flags do we fly when do we lower it half staff Please do that. Can we do that in the next meeting? I can talk with the city clerk. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor, the next speaker is Shubha Kandukuri. Good evening, Honorable Mayor Sheruho, Vice Mayor Kashif Qadri. and esteemed council members. My name is Shubha Kathukuri and my husband Rajendra Thangalamvalli. We are proud residents of Dublin and we have two kids. I'm deeply honored to be here this evening as we celebrate Diwali, the festival of lights together as one community. First, I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to the city of Dublin, to our mayor and vice mayor and all the council members. for recognizing and celebrating this beautiful festival. Your support and leadership truly reflect the spirit of inclusion, unity, and cultural harmony that make Dublin such a special place in Leeds. Diwali is more than a festival. When we light a lamp, it symbolizes not just joy, but also the inner light within each of us that can guide our families and our community toward peace and prosperity. Today, I'm also happy to share a special invitation. Tomorrow, October 22nd, in Sacramento, the world-renowned spiritual leader and humanitarian Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar will be visiting for a public event titled Journey Within. This event is not only a spiritual gathering, but also a social service initiative that brings people together promotes peace in our communities and foster understanding and harmony among all. Gurudev is the founder of the Art of Living Foundation, which operates in over 180 countries and has touched millions of lives through programs that promote mentally well-being, stress relief, leadership and service. The Sacramento chapter has received many awards and certificates in recognition of its outstanding contributions to community service, peace initiative, and youth programs. His initiatives have brought peace to conflict zones, rehabilitation to prisoners, and relief to veterans and youth, showing that inner calm can lead to our outer harmony. The Sacramento event will be an evening of guided meditation, wisdom, and inspiration. an opportunity to experience peace and connection in today's fast-paced world. It would be a great honor to have our mayor, vice mayor, and council members join this uplifting event, representing Dublin's values of wellness, compassion, and unity. Once again, thank you for celebrating Diwali with our community and for lighting the spirit of togetherness here in Dublin. May the light of Diwali bring happiness, harmony, and prosperity to all. Once again, happy Diwali and thank you. Thank you very much. Happy Diwali. Thank you for all your support. Yeah, same to you. Happy Diwali. Thank you. And Mayor, I have one more speaker slip for Anushka Sharma. I have no other speakers. Okay, thank you. So we have agenda item five, consent calendar. So consent calendar items are typically non-controversial in nature and are considered for approval by the city council with one single vote, one single action. So we want to ask council members, are there any agenda items you have questions about or you want to... All items I don't object to, but I just want to ask on 5.8 a few clarifying questions. 5.8? So it's not to pull it, but I just want to clarify. Is that okay to speak? So let's hear all the others. 5.10, not for a separate vote, but simply to make a comment. 5.10 and... I just had two comments on 5.3 and 5.4. Comment 5.3, 5.4. They've covered it. They covered everything. So... It's like an absolute content calendar. By the time it gets to me. Okay, so yours is a... Just comments. Just comments. So we want to take a comments. Comments. I would like to pull 5.4 for clarification. 5.4. So we want to make a comments on the things first, and then we vote for this, and then we pull the action items up. So let's do this way is there's comments. We can make comments and then vote for anything and then leave the questions to the end. Okay. So for the comments ones, so let's go to the other 5.3, you said? Yeah, just a very quick comment. Great to see the progress. I think one of the residents also mentioned the slurry seal project and the positive feedback on that. I was also pleasant. very joyed to hear that it was under budget. So great job to you and the public works team. Yeah. Great, great comment. Thank you. Okay. So that's a 5.3. I apologize. It's 5.10, not 5.4. 5.10 for what? 5.10 just for clarification. I have a question. That's all. Good. So you have another comment. 5.4. 5.4, please go ahead. Which is just, again, great to see all the progress happening on the strategic plan and the quarterly updates are great. So keep it up. Yeah, thank you. I'm also happy to say that. Indeed, I agree. So you have one comment. I had a comment on 510. Do you want to handle that? Because that's the one that's pulled for clarification. Do you want to handle that? Royal poet. And you have a question on which one? 5.8. Okay, so we'll poll 5.8 and 5.10 and vote on rest first. I'm happy to make a motion for the consent calendar excluding items 5.8 and 5.10. Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you. So the motion passed unanimously. And then let's go to 5.8. Dissolution of the San Mateo County Cities Insurance Group, Joint Power Authority. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Sarah. These questions I have for you, just four of them, but they're more for clarification for public awareness. So with regard to the dissolution of this Joint Powers Authority, what are the... positive and negative impacts of that to us as a city? Could you just maybe summarize that for me? Yeah. So one of the reasons, a reason that we would do this dissolution instead of just kind of pulling out, you know, separately is that if the agencies were, let me just take a step back, actually. With Foster City leaving, it leaves the pool in kind of a precarious position. Short term might be okay, but long term, it doesn't seem like it's going to be very solvable. So What we decided as a board is that it's probably best to end it together and so that we can all move out at the same time. Otherwise, we risk people leaving one at a time, and then you have some city at the end holding the back, right? And so this way, it's going to be quite orderly. We can kind of do everything together. We can share in the expenses, whatever those might be in terms of dissolving this problem. You know, I think it ultimately is going to be positive for us. There's going to be more financial stability with wherever we're going to move. You know, there is going to be a negative in the sense that what we move to might have more of a cost, which I'm going to bring back to a couple different options in November. So we really have – being insured for workers' comp is a legal requirement. It's an – the government code. And so we kind of really have three pools that we can look at. We can look at being part of a JPA, which, you know, this is the one we're trying to dissolve. We can look at being self-insured or we can look at joining the state fund. So I'm currently exploring all three of those options. On joining another JPA, we have some limitations in the sense that from a timing perspective, most JPAs will only let you start go at the beginning of their fiscal year, and we're looking mid-year. So that kind of narrowed down who's willing to kind of accept us. And then the other thing is part of, as you saw in here, part of the solution agreement is that you need to take your claims with you. And most pools, we don't want to... bring on liability, right? Like you might have it moving forward, but you don't want to bring liability. So even though we are actually in a very, very good spot in terms of our claim experience, we have, knock on wood, very low claim experience. It's kind of just the rules that govern these different JPAs in terms of what they allow and what they don't allow. So we are doing an analysis on those three different ways that you can... have insurance for workers comp and we're going to bring for some recommendations with with that analysis okay uh thank you very thorough answer uh then uh if i may with us departing at some point from the jpa does that effectively change our internal processes and how we look at workers' comp and how we address workers' comp, which hopefully we don't get any, but I just want to make sure we're covered. Yeah, no, we'll be completely covered. If we do either the self-insured route or join another JPA, it's really going to be much of the same. But my understanding is if we were to join the state fund, it's actually, we're completely hands-off. So a little history, if you'd like, back in I think the late 70s is when the JPAs were allowed to form. And prior to that time, a lot of public agencies were part of the state fund, but there was no control. So the cities and the counties didn't have the ability to actively manage their claims. And with the JPA, they do. So moving to the state fund, while it might be cost effective for us, we don't know quite yet. We're looking at that still. We will... release a little bit of control, which may or may not be, there's positive and negatives to that. We don't have sworn, so that's quite helpful because those cases tend to be a lot more complicated if you're dealing with a police and fire because there's lots and lots of laws surrounding workers' comp in those spaces. Okay. Well, I look forward to the report then or your report back in November. I may ask actually a finance question. Am I allowed to ask? I can't probably answer it, but you could ask. I'll tell you if I know it or not. Then similarly to the idea of forecasting out and change, have we considered what this financial application would look like to our projected revenue as well as expense over the next three and a half years, five years that we had that model run? I think Jay's kind of done some preliminary stuff on it. Welcome, Jay. Come on over. Jay Beck, the finance director. We did look at the staff report, I think, gave a range. It's hard to know until we know what options are going to be. Between the $200,000 and $500,000 range, we ran it through the 10-year model, and it didn't shift the year forward at all. It's still $30,000, $31,000. that'll just be a little bit bigger. But once we have, Sarah brings back options and we have a better understanding of cost and future costs, we'll rerun those numbers. Good, Jay. Thanks for that because you know where I was headed with that question. Appreciate it. Thank you. No further questions. Good question. Thank you. And do we want to have a discussion over 510 and then we vote for both of them together? Okay. So 510, I heard there's questions. And I heard there's comments. Yeah. Why don't we do the comments first? Oh, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. My only comment was that I appreciated the collaborative nature of how you went about these particular appointments. Describe what we did. Sure. If you. Yeah, please. I would like to hear from you. You want to ask for the collaborative? Is that what your question was? Go for it. Go for it. Yeah. For anybody watching, the history of this is a little bit that that we were not. as a council necessarily on the same page with some of your prior appointments. And I really appreciated the fact that you recognize that. And to address that issue, you decided to do an ad hoc committee that was yourself and me and our city manager, Colleen Tribby. And the process was that all of us read all of the applications for each of these four committees and talked about them and talked about what we were looking for each of us in a appointee. And It was clear that we weren't necessarily looking for the same things, but in the end, the collaboration was really good, recognizing that it is ultimately the mayor's responsibility to make an appointment, but that she was interested in hearing from Colleen and I on what we were looking for in an appointee as far as balancing the commissions individually, as far as breadth of knowledge, coverage across the city, demographic coverage within each committee, but also trying to balance the totality of commissions and committees as a whole across the city. And, you know, we had quite a bit of discussion on do we balance each individual committee? Do we balance the appointments across the whole range of commissions? Or do we balance things over time? And so I just wanted to say that I very much appreciated the collaborative nature of that process. And I think that that moved us forward in a way that we hadn't been before. And so I just wanted to commend you for taking that initiative to move it to a collective process. Thank you for your input. I have to say a lot of great things about this collaboration as well, because we have never done this way. So this is the first time. And we, at first, didn't even know whether it would be the right process, right? But we were able to sit, like we actually did a remote meeting, but to talk about the process, talk about the different priorities. And we were able to talk about individuals we think they are good applicants and why. And after our recommendations we talked about that day, I did have a very clear picture and have candidates in my mind. And I did a follow-up with the phone calls. to some of them, not to all of them, because some of them already have good ideas. But I do want to appreciate all the applicants, because we did get, as always, we did get a very good crowd, passionate applications. For example, for the planning commissioner, there are 19. applicants. There's 19. So we were thrilled by how passionate our candidates are. But we also want to tell everybody we won't be able to have a position for everybody. And we appreciate your effort. And we will have a new openings in the future. We encourage everybody to apply again in the future. And also, we have a lot of volunteering work and this nonprofit work. And we hope everybody can be part of the community work, whatever the way they can make it. And with that said, I withdraw the question. I just want to make a comment at this point. It sounds like. I was very impressed with the candidate pool, with the thoroughness of the applications. And now when I learn about this ad hoc committee, I think that was a brilliant idea. And you came together and I think the best candidates were selected. And I would encourage you and whoever is mayor in the future that we just kind of set that as kind of a process in places. I think it worked very, very well. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to echo similar sentiment. It's great to hear the collaboration happening, and I appreciate the three of you spending the extra time and effort to read through all of the applications and go through such a comprehensive process in reviewing the applicants, interviewing the applicants, and then having those robust conversations and selections. I'm always impressed by the number and quality of the applicants. And as you said, Mayor, I would encourage folks that aren't selected this round to apply again and stay connected to the city because there are more opportunities. Yeah, I want to add one more comment. So we did talk about one thing. We said we have this Inside Dublin program. It goes online. once every year in the fall season. And we would appreciate if candidates got a chance to join the programs so they would learn about the systems, learn about how things work together, and have knowledge about our city. And we treat this as one of the favorite criteria we would consider. We just want to put it out there. If somebody who's interested think about next year's inside of inside the doubling program. Okay, thank you. So we have discussions on these two agenda items already. Do we have a motion? Yes, I'll move items 5.8 and 5.10. Second. So for these two items, all in favor say aye. Aye. So the motion passed unanimously. Let's move on to... Agen item six, public hearing, nine, seven, and finish the business, nine, eight, no business, 8.1, updates to the city's construction and the fire codes in accordance with requirements of state law. Good evening, mayor and city council members. Gregory Shave, the city's chief building official for a little while. Tonight's staff will be presenting the 2025 California building standards. The California building standards, along with other state agencies and the standards commission, review and modify the California codes for construction every three years. The process involves public input throughout the process for that. And it just takes over all of the proposed changes that we do. These changes are applicable at the local level and they are enforceable unless we modify them. So it's up to the city council if we put any modifications in. These new codes are effective January 1st, 2026. And all costs associated with the adoption and implementation of these codes have already been included in the city's budget. The building standards codes, the city has the authority to modify the codes based on climatic, geological, topographical conditions. And for the green code, we're allowed to use environmental conditions. Historically, the city has had many modifications over the years. This year, we will be recommending most of these go forward. There is a new law that's out there for us that carry forward rules that the regulations that we move forward have to be similar and substantially equivalent to the ones that we already have in place if it affects residential. And I'll go over that when we get into the residential. The first code we're going to talk about is the fire code. We only have a couple of modifications to it. It'll be based on the California 2025 code. Modifications are going to be the location of where the official code adoption paperwork is. That'll be in the building official's office. The name of the board of appeals is changed to means of appeals to meet changes in state law. We have some changes to fire sprinklers. We're adding two exceptions, both review on ADUs. This is required to meet state law, some changes that the state made after the codes were adopted, so they didn't make it into the codes. I'm recommending that we make the modification at the local level. It'll make it easier for our public to find all of the code changes, and it makes it easier for staff not to make a mistake and make a requirement that the state's already waived on us. We're also recommending deletion of an above ground tank restriction and hazardous material provisions because these are now actually included in state law. So what we've been doing for 20 years, the state finally caught up. The next one is building regulation administration. We have two changes in that. This is the code book and basically it tells me how to do my job. The first one will be adding requirements for a concurrent review of ADUs and the demolition that has to happen when you're doing that type of a project. It's been the city's process since before I got here. So it's now in state law and the state wants us to put it in our codes. The second one is adding into the city's provision that I'm allowed to deny permits. It's already there, but gives me a restriction that says if you did an ADU prior to 2020 without permits, that I can permit it today without making you bring it all the way up to today's codes. I can allow it to be constructed under the codes that you originally built it. Makes it a little bit harder on the staff, but it makes it a whole lot easier on the public to legalize any of these projects. The changes in the building code, again, we're based on the 2025 code. Fire sprinklers, same thing that we just talked about in the fire code. It's the same changes. Structural plain concrete section needed to be rewritten. All that means is we don't allow concrete without rebar in it for structural means. The building code will. We don't because we're in a very high seismic zone. We have some requirements for ADUs. One that I can't believe that we actually have to put in it, but other building officials are making this mistake. So the state said do it. If you add an ADU to your house, it does not change the occupancy type of your house. So if you own a single family dwelling, you put in an ADU, it's still a single family dwelling. So we're codifying that. The final piece we're doing is we're deleting our changes to chapter 7A, the wildland urban interface code. And that's because 7A doesn't exist anymore. The state's adopted a whole new code for that section. So really no longer needed in our code. Residential code, we're making two changes we're recommending. One is just some rewrite of the roof covering material. Doesn't change the requirement. it changes the wording on it because the base code changed the wording. The other one is again, we're deleting the changes for the wild, what we call the WUI code, wildland interface, because again, we're going over to the new state code. Electrical, plumbing, mechanical. These are probably my easiest ones. All we're changing is the year. So instead of the 2022 code, we're gonna be the 2025 code. The city's change in the electrical code about receptacles spacing in offices and putting copper in or under your slab, those are going to remain is what staff is recommending. The swimming pool and spa code, existing building maintenance codes, pretty much the same. We're just adopting the new codes. The only changes in what we call the building maintenance code, which is based on the international property maintenance code, is the scoping wording changes a little so that we're meeting the new international code. And basically it means if you're trying to live in a commercial space, we can go after that too. The green building code, this is the one we can go after with environmental changes if we want to. We're just recommending we go to the 2025 California Green Building Standards Code, and we're bringing the code cycles that we already have, any of the changes. One of the ones I want to make sure the council knew about is the readopting of the Tier 2 electric vehicle parking change requirements. And with that, staff recommends we waive the first reading and introduce an ordinance. repealing and replacing chapter 5.08, the fire code, 7.28, building regulation administration code, 7.32, the building code, 7.34, the residential code, 7.36, the electrical code, 7.40, the plumbing code, 7.44, the mechanical code, 7.45, the swimming pool and spa code. 7.46, the existing building code, 7.48, the building maintenance code, and 7.94, the green building code. And set the public hearing for November 4th, 2025 to adopt said ordinance and adopt a resolution approving the findings of necessity for the amendments to the 2025 California Building Standards Code. And staff is here if you have any questions. Thank you so much. And I know you have a very short period of time before your retirement. And thank you for doing great work. And also, I know you probably have a succession plan as well. And thanks for that. She did it. That's the boss. She took care of that for me. I know we're in good hands, right? Thank you. So we'll start with the questions. Sure. Easy question. Maybe. High level. Looks like a lot of this is conformance with state. I read through it. Out of all this, are we making any changes, additional changes to the municipal code that would exceed the requirements or be a little tighter? Or is this all just about conforming with the state requirements? Where are we moving to? All staff is recommending is we bring forward all of the existing amendments that we have. So we keep the same requirements we have. And all the changes we're recommending are because state law changed. So we need to up ours to equal theirs. Okay. That answers the question. Thank you. Thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. First, I want to echo the mayor's comments. Thank you for all your good work over the years. Last set of questions before you and Mickey fly off into the sunset. I like the tie you've chosen for tonight. My only question is about electrification of buildings. I know we did that in the past. We're carrying that forward. Have there been changes in state law about all electric buildings between 2022 and 2025? The state energy code has changed to push for all electric homes. But because of some federal laws, we're not able to just say carte blanche. You have to do everything, which is why we have an exemption for commercial kitchens so that we stay clear. of court decisions. What the state has done is said, yes, you can have gas, but we're gonna put an energy penalty in your design. And it requires the building to be even more efficient than if it was all electric. Okay. Best guess, next code cycle, you'll see it for commercial. You will not see it for residential and at least till 2032. And that's because it changes the health and safety code where not only can we not make changes that affect the code for residential, the state can't make changes. Right. But we already had it in 2022, so we are allowed to carry it forward. We are allowed to carry it forward. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. That was the extent of my questions. Great work. Great. Thank you. Good evening, Gregory. Thank you for reading 108 pages and summarizing it for me. Appreciate that. Who's going to follow behind that? I could have given you the whole thing. It's 10,000 pages. I'll pass. Thank you. Just very cursory questions here. Notably, there's a deadline to approve all this, which is the next November 4th council meeting. What happens if we don't get to... Get to that. Is there a compliance? Okay. The actual deadline is November 30th. Oh, okay. This way we have 30 days before the ordinance goes into effect. The November 4th deadline is I would really like to see this all done, put to bed, ready for the state before I retire. So at the next meeting, I can do this, get your vote, drop the mic, leave the building. What would happen? Yeah. Basically, the city of Dublin would lose all of their amendments on January 1st, 2026. We would be required to adopt the state code and enforce the state code. That would mean all of the administration, the way the building official does their job is gone. The way we do our fees is gone. The way we hire people is gone. And we have to go over to state law. Even our job descriptions would change. That's impactful. It would be very impactful. The biggest impact would be with FEMA because we'd lose some of our changes that we got extra points in FEMA to help keep the flood insurance rates lower for our homeowners. Gotcha. This is good to know. Thank you for that. Then I'll ask two questions in support of this desire to get all those amendments approved. I see... Chief Tara up there. So if I may, I'd like to ask Chief Tara a very simple question. I'll wait for her to get down here. Good evening. Good evening, Chief. The variety and plethora of amendments up there, what's your opinion on this? Are you in support of this? Other things that you don't like about this? Just kind of give me a perspective of... you from the far side? I've been supportive of the Dublin codes for over 25 years. I've been working with Gregory for that period of time. We work together on all the code adoptions to make sure they are seamless and consistent. As Gregory indicated, we are bringing forward the same amendments that we have for decades. And as Gregory indicated, in some cases we're not, and that's only because the state code has finally caught up with the things that we've been doing in Dublin for years. So we are very supportive of this. It will help us to continue to serve this community well, keep this community fire safe, and moving forward. Thank you. Appreciate the support. And then, Gregory, one last question, which is similar to what I asked Chief. In terms of the trades and unions, are they in support of this as well? I'm going to say yes, and here's my reasoning. The trades and unions start the process in what we're doing today four years ago. So when we do the international codes or the IATMO codes, which is the base for our codes, they sit on the committees that vote to put these things in place. They help write and help us better the codes and put them into the system. So manufacturers, trades, unions, they all get their chance there. When that's done and we finished and we put to bed the 2024 codes, now we come and the state's going through their adoption process, which takes 18 months to two years. The unions, the trades are there helping the state and putting in public comments at that stage. For local level, I bring them up and bring them to the table when we're making a change that would affect them. When we were talking last cycle about electric kitchens and electric all requirements, we brought the developers in, we brought the trades in, we talked to them, we gave them everybody a chance to tell us the good and the bad. When we did universal design 25 years ago, we brought everybody to the table and look at it. This cycle, I did not do that. And that's because what we're doing is state law. We either take the changes that staff's recommending or we're going to enforce state law as it is, and the unions have already had their chance at that. Thank you. My pleasure. Last question, if I may, which is now that you've given me the support structure for these amendments, the question is ultimately always what does this deliver to the community? So with these amendments, can you share with me whether it be conjecture or fact, what is it that this will give to our residents? Does it lower their insurance rates? Does it give them more secure ADUs that they want to build? Just give me an idea of what that delivers to the community. Boy, let's see. There were 10,000 changes to the codes this cycle. Some of them were as simple as changing a word or an and. So in that case, and maybe not a whole lot with a lot of the changes it's just going to be the same across the board but in other cases new materials new ways of doing things have been now introduced in the codes where so homeowners can use cheaper material cheaper methods of doing this uh... for insurance rate wise it's not really gonna help the homeowners that are already here and those commercial residential buildings we already have however For the new buildings, we haven't started construction. They're going to meet the greatest and latest standards that we have. So right now, outside staff report, sorry, Colleen, we have a very good rating with the ISO, which is the Insurance Service Organization. They go around and they grade fire departments and building departments every four to five years. And new building owners, their insurance rate is based on our grade. Dublin has some of the highest grades. We're always in the top three, a score of one, two, or three between fire and building. So we get some of the lowest rates there are. Excellent. Best we can do. I like being up there. All right. Thank you, Gregory. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. A lot of great questions. Thank you. So all of my questions have been asked and answered. Perfect. Yeah. You're good? Okay. Good. Okay, we're all good. So are there any public comments? I have no public comments. No public comments. Any more comments from us? We're all good, right? I'm looking for motion. I'd like to make a motion to take the following actions. One, waive the first reading and introduce an ordinance repealing and replacing chapters 5.8, 7.28. 7.32, 7.34, 7.36, 7.40, 7.44, 7.45, 7.46, 7.48, and 7.94. And two, set the public hearing for November 2nd, 2025 to adopt said ordinance and adopt a resolution approving the findings for necessity for amendments to the 2025 California Building Standards Code. When I second that, I'm going to add the friendly amendment that it's November 4th for the public hearing instead of November 2nd. Oh, yeah. Sounds good. Awesome. Thank you. So you're second, right? Yes. So all in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. So the motion passed unanimously. Thank you, Gregory. Well, Mayor, I'll just add at the end of the item, obviously you can see why we're going to miss Gregory so much. 29 years of experience. He's currently the longest tenured employee. Big shoes to fill, but he's been very helpful in making sure that we can move forward. We have lots of nice things to say about him, but we have him for one more meeting. So we're going to reserve those comments for then. Then we're really going to embarrass him. So that was my comment. Thank you, Gregory. And we're really enjoying you giving us a presentation and we have this motion passed. Thanks. So let's moving on to agenda item nine, city manager and city council reports. Mayor and council members, just one thing for me. This week, we're going to launch a new web page called the Dublin Buzz, which will be sort of a dashboard on hot topics. answer questions and concerns that we frequently hear from the community. So different than our news page, it'll be, you know, emails that we get, calls that we get. So hopefully that'll be a great resource for the community. I think Hazel and the communications team are launching that this week. So be on the lookout for the Dublin buzz. That's all for me. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you. We'd love to see that. Who wants to start? Jan, you want to start? Thank you, Mayor, for the opportunity to present. As normal, my travel schedule has been crazy, so I've not been at too many events, but the ones I've been to have been so impactful. The event that I attended for the League of California Cities Annual Conference in Long Beach, a couple highlights was just Gabe Quinto swearing in as the new president. He's the mayor pro tem of El Cerrito. That was fantastic. He's also the first Filipino American to hold that office. Also, I attended the very first newly formed veterans and military group. That was great considering we have a base within our city. And then I just let me close on the simple fact that this month being highly representative of cultural diversity and representation, I am just so without words blessed and I think just proud. what we offer as a city. I am myself wearing a traditional Filipino borong considering this is Filipino Heritage Month also and this is what would probably be considered like the tuxedo version so I feel a little overdressed but this is certainly a representation of how diverse we are as a city and And then, of course, Diwali, right, all the wonderful proclamations we've had earlier this evening and also the continuation of future proclamations that we have for our city. So that's it for me. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. I also have a very short report tonight. I've been out of town. for all but five days since our last council meeting. Part of that was for Lee's Cities. It was a great conference. I think most of us were there. Some really good presentations. I have a list of things that I haven't yet had an opportunity to talk to staff about that I've seen. But we'll get a chance to do that, of course, and I'm sure everybody else saw some really good sessions and brought back some great ideas. And, of course, while I was unable to attend the conference, Diwali celebration here in Dublin, unfortunately, while I was out of state, I was able to go to the one at the fairgrounds, which was a really great celebration as usual. And I was really happy that I was able to at least attend one of the Diwali celebrations. And I echo your sentiments about the wonderful diversity of the city of Dublin. All one has to do is look up here to see a little bit of a hint of the diversity that Dublin represents. So really happy about that. Yeah, thank you. Michael? Sure. I was one of those left behind, so I took over for a few people. Went to Stop Waste meeting or was a participant in it. Had a couple of Housing Authority meetings during this period. I thought that Mayor's Summit was actually pretty good. The panel was good. The discussions were good. The questions were good. It was a good environment. Great venue, too. And the other day, we had the Tri-Valley. water liaison meeting, which was actually very effective. I appreciated that. And then, of course, the Diwali festival over the weekend. That's homegrown. That's Dublin. And I thought that was very important and it was very well run. And you had some guests here tonight that were all part of that. So I was really, I think the three of us were there and I think we all enjoyed it. So that's it for me this week. Thank you, Council Member. So just four things to report out. The League of Cities meeting, which was great, attended a life scientist summit by the startup Tri-Valley last week. Happy Filipino Heritage Month. It's great. And it's also the month against hate, which I also appreciate. And yeah, looking forward to the night market this Friday. And trunk or treat on Saturday. Hope to see you all there. I do want to add one thing. Hey, so does it count if I showed up the last hour? That was a good AI summit. He's very modest. He had a lot to do with setting that up. So I want to give him all kinds of kudos. You got some really, really focused people in that. So it was great. We heard good things about this today at our economic meeting. And she forgot to mention, but we had this economic meeting today. And I get Yolanda mentioning you especially for how you have helped this event. Thank you. Yeah, I'm proud of you. Great. So we all went to, except Council Member McCosta, we all went to the League of California Cities, right? And that was a great event. It's about two days, and we went to different seminars and also meet our peers. And every time I enjoy that so much, see a lot of passionate people working on similar stuff we are doing. So one of the things I think I remember was about legal, you know, how we can, as a city, we maintain the roads and maintain the parks, how we can make sure we do not take the liability we shouldn't take. That's one of the topic I listen, I think, oh, wow, okay. We learned lessons in the past. So this is a great, and next thing I have been to, there are a lot of other things, let me see. So we do have this mayor's summit. I think some of us were there. That was a good one. And then we have a sister city association meeting last Wednesday evening. I went there for the last part. I just want to say I do feel confidence in this association right now. They got a lot of momentum, have a structure in place, and I hope they can go full speed. to make big progress there. So I have been to there. And also TV 30 report, our Dublin community video report, we always have that every two weeks. And we have other things. So two Diwali, at least two Diwali celebrations. One was in the present fairground. We have Our organizer here today, AIA, that was one of the largest celebration. And that was great. It was organized very well. And I really enjoyed that Diwali celebration. And our own celebration was last weekend was at the Emerald Green Park. I think you were there too. So most of us were there. And that was great. So that was the first time. And it's already doing super great work. And we see a lot of organizers here. I do want to give kudos for all of them. Let me see. I think that's pretty much what we have today. Oh, I do have a LAFCO meeting yesterday. So that was the LAFCO meeting. And we already mentioned we have an economic development meeting, economic committee meeting. And I'm also going to be in trunco trade. So welcome everybody, especially somebody who has families, have kids to bring, to just go there, wear your costume, and we can trunco trade there. With that said, we'll adjourn the meeting at 8.27 PM.