Welcome everyone. It is 6 o'clock. Let's get underway. We have our study session now and our first item on our agenda is a report from our South Valley Chamber of Commerce. Mr. Jay Francis is going to make that. Jay, come on up. Commence. Thank you. They send me the chaperones because I tend to give things away if I'm not chaperoned. Thank you. Once again, this is an annual thing. I'm a week or two earlier this year than last year. So speaking of staff, this is who we are. And I've got Jamie and Corey with us tonight. We knew we were in a small room, so we didn't bring the rest. But we've got Dana Reed, and Miriam, and Diana Lund, and Barbie, and Missy, and Zoram. So as the chamber has grown, so has the staff. It's kind of been nice to put some things on some other people's plate. This is our executive committee. It changed the first of the year with Scott Wester now as our chair and Rob Ruff has stepped back as just what we refer to as the most recent chair. And Jennifer Sylvester, Heather Curtis, and Dave Dennison with the Gardner Company, and Heather's with Squire Coca-Cola. And this is our board, which both the executive committee and the board, that's why I sleep well at night. They are such great people to work with. They have my back. And we just work well together. What we do, we connect, educate, advocate, and grow. Those are kind of our four pillars that we kind of plan everything around. And then we've added and more. And we'll get to the end more at the end as well. So in Draper, we did 11 ribbon cuttings in 2025. That's what we're talking about. Which is just, if you take that and you times it by the number of cities, we just had a record number ribbon cuttings throughout the South Valley and it just that bodes well for what's going on regardless of what we're hearing in other places people are bullish on going into business under connect we have our committees we have 25 members serving on our ambassador committee we have 25 members serving on our government affairs public policy committee which has become really robust we spend a lot of time on the hill we have 38 people on our small business committee which helps us kind of plan some things that is important for small business, some of our boot camps and our business accelerator, that we're providing tools for small businesses. 35 people on our tourism committee, many of which are restaurateurs and hotel managers from Draper. And we'll touch on tourism in a few minutes. And then 24 in our women in business committee, plus 24 junior WIB participants, which is something that I'm really pleased. We'll be graduating them next month, this year's, next month already. Under the Educate, we had 27 graduates from the leadership South Valley. We had 14, which one of them was Mike last year. And then we had 14 graduates from our business accelerator, our everyday entrepreneur. We had 14 participants in that course. And I always like to say that our success on Everyday Entrepreneur is sometimes they all complete the course. Some of them go on to start their business. But some of them, about session five or six, they say, you know, I'm not ready to start and be an entrepreneur. My product's not ready to launch, which is a success because we've saved them thousands of dollars. It's because a lot of people just think they've got this greatest idea, and they run out. They spent thousands of dollars only to find out they should have done a little bit more homework, and this helps them. Our business boot camps, we had four of those. We had 127 attendees. Our business boot camps have really become hands-on workshops where small businesses come and get really good hands-on topics around AI or around advertising, around sales. And they bring extra people, and they come and they sit with them. They may give them a half hour of instruction, and then they go sit with them. and help them really get the tools that they need. Under advocate, we hosted roundtables, we hosted executive forums. We tracked 20 plus bills in 2025, so that's a year ago. And then we had what we called the in the know, and we had Robert Spindler come talk about the big beautiful bill. And we had the Wasatch Regional Council come talk about their transportation plan for the South Island. We hosted a legislative review last year about this time with Senator Fillmore and Representative Wilson. Under our grow, we hope to connect after hours, which is a number, two years ago we had a group of some of, most of which were our ambassadors that said we just, we want to have an event where we can come and just rub shoulders and connect with each other. kind of assimilated after some chambers called their business after hours. And it's just done well. They have not misbehaved. And we've had good sponsors, so it hasn't been a drain on the chamber. But we've held it all across the whole South Valley. Tomorrow night, we're having one at Topgolf if you would like to come swing the clubs. Let's do lunch. We had five let's do lunch, because we alternate that with meet the member every other month. But we had over 728 attendees at our LSU lunch. Meet the Members has become a real popular event where they just kind of come and meet. And then we have 12 to 15 of our businesses get two minutes to tell who they are and what they do. And it's a time. They get told to stop. But they love talking. I remember my parents used to go to something called Ring and Brag. And it's kind of, they get to brag about what they've done and their accomplishments. And it's been a great event for our members. Our Women of Business is stellar. It's 10 events last year with over 1,200 attendees. And we're now posting, you know, sold out almost on every one that we're doing. We held one today with Caitlin Eskelson from Business All Lake. And we had the market sold out in one of the largest rooms that we have available to us. And then under the category and more, we held three golf tournaments with over 430 players. We held our Titan Awards at Grand America with over 650 attendees. We had four honorees plus the small business of the year. And then we held Shark Tank last year with 10 students pitching their businesses. And we awarded over $9,500 of prize money to go back to those students, 5,000 to first, 3,500 to the second. and add up the rest, the third got the rest. But it's fun to see these kids. We just held this year's, just last week, at the aquarium. They're pitching in front of the shark tank to a panel of judges. And you go away saying, OK, the world's going to be OK, because we've got some shark kids out there. Don't go home and watch 10 o'clock news. They'll tell you different. But come to the shark tank or get involved with our junior and you'll know that we're going to be OK. Under tourism, I just wanted to share a little bit because the hotels in Draper do benefit, and they are on this committee. And so as things get planned for the South Valley, they really benefit from this too. But overall, we had nearly 180,000 visitors because of the sporting events. Now, this is just talking about the sporting events that we help sponsor and bring here, the volleyball. Last year, we had horseshoes. We had three-on-three basketball. We have baseball tournaments. We love volleyball. because the volleyball moms, they track that. They spend a lot of money in between games. The balls love volleyball. But we had almost 41,000 room nights, and we spent just under $100,000 of investment, and we got $66 million back in economic impact. I wish I could do that with my investments of my own. The top five events that came we had was USA Gymnastics, the National Archery. Again, USA Gymnastics came a second time with more room nights. The first one was 3,700. The next one was 9,000 room nights. Triple Pound Sports, which is three on three, they brought 6,000 room nights. Jam On It, another basketball, 4,800 room nights. And FitCon was 7,000 room nights. And you can see that. the economic impact on the far right. We also did a tourism campaign. This is 2024, 2025. It was a very successful ski, come ski South Valley. The impressions that we got and the clicks, and then when it says events, that's when they clicked on hotels and started looking for hotels to stay. And all of the Draper hotels are listed on our tourism web page. I guess I can give this report in a year, but our 2025-2026 ski campaign went better than we thought, even though we had no snow. We really got a lot of clicks. I think a lot of people had planned their vacations and they came anyway. In 2026, we're going to be focused, strategic, and purpose-driven. One of the things we're going to focus on is service and community impact. We want our businesses to to think beyond their P&L and be able to get involved in the community and get involved and give back. We're going to help them do that. We're going to focus on business growth and economic development. We have a big initiative on member retention and adding some value so they will stay. Because we have grown in the last four years exponentially in our membership, and now we need to retain and keep those members active and engaged. And in public policy, It's something that because of the size of our footprint now and the number of municipalities that we're representing, plus the number of businesses, we have to be better. And this last year proved it. We have great co-chairs. We have Steve Foxley from Regents Blue Clocks, Blue Shield, and public policy is in his DNA. If any of you know his father, Doug Foxley. And then Kelsey Berg, who was with Senator Romney, the Miller Group. And now is with the Olympic Committee as the other co-chair of our public policy. So we're really growing up there. One thing we announced at our annual report in February is that we're starting a small business impact award. And we'll honor a small business from all seven of our cities. And we will include that in our annual meeting going forward. But this was something that it's one of those middle of the night, you wake up and you have a thought. it was three days before our annual report and so we announced that this slide was made three hours before our annual report and but so we're gonna we're gonna do this one for each city and we're gonna have it on May 5th and our event room at our office and you've already chosen we haven't reached out to them yet but we're excited to kind of be a little bit more dirt under the fingernails, grassroots with some of these small businesses. We look at our relationship with you as a partnership, not a membership. There are benefits that you get as some of the other chamber members, but we really look at our relationship with you as a partnership, kind of an extension of your economic development work that you're doing. Strengthening communication and trust. As we push things out about your city and the things that you're doing, and you push it out, then it's kind of coming from two different voices. We have the same priorities of economic development, of growing and being a strong community. And with us sharing the same things that you're sharing, again, that adds to that strength. And we're strengthening the community brand. And then as I started out, we really believe that this is a partnership and that we really are and feel like we're a partner with you. That's who we are and we have changed. We used to say better now and now we're saying we're better together as we have kind of grown together. Did I do it in my time? Any questions? How's the membership? 573, 578. I don't know if the three became an eight or the eight became a three. We're just over 570 in membership, which is really, really strong. Yeah, that's awesome. And how many cities do you have now? Seven. Okay, because we came on board and you only had three. Yeah, when I started, we had Sandy and Riverton and Committed. Y'all were half in and half out, but we got it. So you were the third one, and then Cotwood Heights, Harriman, and Bluffdale. South Jordan was the fourth one. And we're fine. That's a really good family. And it's been fun, because we've also got all seven of our mayors together at least twice a year on our work initiative. I got a text from somebody after we did the last one. He said, you've got the seven sisters together. We felt like we helped kind of bring some kind of bond together, working together. We had a major role in working with the Wasatch Regional Council in some transportation issues. And we still, because of our influence and because of working with, we think that we can still have that kind of an influence and work to bring things together. We got a lot going on in the South Valley. It's fun to be part of it. There's something out here called The Point. Have you looked at the new aquarium space for your Titans Award? Can we talk offline? Yeah. Yes, we have. Yeah. And it may happen. It won't, probably not this year. It would be nice to have that event in the South Valley though. It would. Today, that's the only place we could consider. Yeah. Because there isn't enough places. Like last year, we were only over 650. I'll call you next week. OK. Anybody have any other questions for him? No, I just think your Titan Awards that you do is fantastic. It really is a good event. It's kind of one of our hallmarks. It was an event before we had a lot of these others that set us apart from other local or community chambers. We started that in 2009, and it's been going ever since. And so that needs to be protected as one of our hallmark events. And we've got some Potential, we've only got one honoree coming up that has accepted. We're extending some invitations later this week. The last two years, we've had two people from Draper, so we'll probably miss these. It's kind of an ongoing thing. All right, thank you, sir. Thank you. All right, next we have Rhett. He's going to give us a discussion about a monument statute design. Where is Rhett? That's where I saw him. There he is. You're up, Brad. All right, sorry, I might have a distraction. So the purpose of this study tonight is that's your option. It's an opportunity that came to the city and It's an opportunity that came to the city. We've taken this option to the Parks and Trails Recreation Committee. In a nutshell, I'll let our guests kind of explain a little bit more. But we have a local artist, Trevor Goff, who does beautiful artwork. We had an opportunity to get an art piece that he designed in Draper City. a grassroots fundraising level, meaning they would go out and they would fundraise, talk to us at the Corner Canyon Trellis Foundation. They would be willing to be the conduit or the foundation that the donations or the money that was given for the art would circulate through the foundation, not the city. So we're kind of a hands off that way. But really, it's just an option to see if you'd be interested in getting a few art pieces. primarily starting with one that we've looked at and kind of identified the arena as also our main trailhead for Corner Canyon and a lot of bikers to come right at the entrance to have an art piece. We've identified a few other places, but this is our primary focus right now is this first piece. And if you like it, we'll kind of give the green light. And if you want to talk about it and come back with a decision, there's nothing set in stone. There's nothing agreed upon. There's nothing in writing. It's just an opportunity. So I invited Trevor. Trevor is our local artist. He's a Draper, born and raised Draper. Grew up when it was a lot smaller and different. Is this for city council? Who's city council here? You guys take these with you? Keep the handouts. We've also got them on the big screen. So there's also more information here. There's one for you, Troy. Hi. And then, there you go, buddy. Thank you for the opportunity. So our private funding has gotten us this far. I don't know if you're familiar or not with the micro roundabout. That's the first stone sculpture that I built for the city. And we installed that quite a while, that's like 16 years ago. So since then, I've been following the public art market, have a few pieces around. And throughout that, I've learned a lot about the different cities, counties across the country. In your package, you'll find how you know, like what arts and museums spent last year. So this is also an opportunity for me to do service work and creating a piece and it builds my portfolio. It's about community engagement, you know, so there's an opportunity here to engage with the bicycle clubs, the community, different ways to raise money for this. We have private sponsors right now that have gotten us this far. So we're super excited about that. The project's already started in the sense of like, you'll see there's a, do you have the second slide? the second one yeah so we put this in place up there at the entrance of the um i think it's the arena the andy ballard arena yeah right yeah so this is an actual live shot like like looking towards north you guys can see the tent where the you know the arena um and so this is kind of what it would be um size wise for identify yourself please orion's right thank you go ahead So Ryan and I have been childhood buddies since we were children, right here in Trooper. I'm sorry about that, Trevor. Well, you know, it's a beautiful thing, buddy. So I planted this seed in Trevor's head, because he's been doing all this different stuff. And I was kind of excited about it. I have to be honest, I would rather have it be a runner than a biker. But we have to start somewhere. And I think the bike community and what we have in the sense of a trail system is unmatched. what council and what we put forward for this is absolutely spectacular. So I was just like, what can we do that would be a give back, that starts something that would be kind of cool? And so that's where this just kind of this brainchild just kind of started with Trevor and I. And Trevor just took the thing and started going. So it's been a pleasure to do. So yeah. And I don't know if any of you ever visited the Utah Arts Festival in the last several years. Several of the large sculptures have been displayed. There will be more large sculptures displayed again down there this year. Recycling, so this is also recycling. This is another way to put our old parts back together. Also, like this piece here, his face is actually cast. So on the sculpture, there will be some actually cast recycled metal that will be cast into actual parts. These are just models built. there'll be a lot more detail in the hero size. So hero size is one and a half times the human size. So if you imagine, that makes me a nine foot tall guy. You know what I mean? So we're gonna have a nine foot tall, a one and a half times the size of the bicycle. It makes it a monumental piece. They call it a hero size. And so we're excited. We're ready to go. We've been building the studio. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a studio down here in Draper. So I have a nice shop, I have a studio up in Clearfield where I've got room to build and we're ready to go with it. So with city council, there's some other pieces in there, some information for you guys to take and absorb into what this is and how the opportunity to grow into. It would be considered like a civic landmark project. You have a lot of opportunity here. It also shows what arts and museums spent. In 2025, they spent $7.5 million. They've already allocated $1.6 million today. In Utah. In Utah. This is just Utah. Last night, Snow College bid for a $100,000 piece. Park City bids in two days for quite a bit. There's art going on everywhere. And it's an amazing market across the country. And what I've learned is there are some really cool parks and recs that do different things throughout their trail and their trail systems and their heads. It's endless what can be created with it. So there's some fun stuff, especially for city council in there, some great ideas. And I know we only have a short time, but we are ready to go. Maybe you need to throw a cowboy hat on that one. Well, we have a horse. I actually started the horse. When we sat down, we had some ideas of the horse, the runner, and then the paragliding bench. So only city council has, you have the first shot of the paragliding bench in the back of your packet, and then you have the bicyclist. Because there was talk in Parks and Rec at the top of the trail. What's the name of the top of the trail up there? Yeah, for this one right here. Because this one could rotate. It's windy up there, so the wind can rotate that one around. The one back there has movement to it. So it has some cool moving parts to it. And we'll be able to do so like that. It's durable. It's going to be coated with an automotive clear coat. They say it's good for 100 years. uh you know so graffiti resistant but my experience with this type of art usually the graffiti artists leave it alone it's respected what about teenagers like vandalizing it's solid steel i mean they can go out all they want and they're not going to do anything to it okay yeah and if it did break do you come back oh absolutely but it's you know when we fabricate this at that size in the stone and we can have some engineering review but it's solid steel you know so because a lot of the new mountain bikes are carbon fiber so I can't put together carbon fiber so we're going to use steel parts to actually create this and mimic the new the newer mountain bikes I could see little kids climbing up onto the rock is there going to be anything dangerous they could stick fingers in or No, it'll all be rounded off smooth. You know what I mean? This will all be smooth, ADA compliant, nothing that's going to grab. The rock can change any size and weight where that rock is not climbable, if you will. You know, it can be hot taller. This is just flat, so you can picture kids getting up on there and doing that. In talking to things when we were at the trailheads, when people were looking at it and looking at the sculptures, we were just up there talking about locations and things like that. With the Parks and Rec, we talked about that and we talked about know pictures and what would the background look like for pictures and we're trying to find a place for that so the art in a sense trevor's kind of hoped it would be a little bit interactive that you could get up next to it and you could take a picture with it but again safety you know you can't rip something off or you can't hurt yourself yeah so on so it would be it would be safe enough for you to be able to do it but then we did talk about you know people that were out there like, oh my gosh, what's this, what's that? You get 100 questions. So it was kind of fun. I have a piece that I showed the Utah Arts Festival. And I swear this piece has been touched and photographed by probably 30,000 people. Kids and families touching it, experiencing it. It's got wood and metal. Everything is ground and round. No sharp edges. And people really enjoy it. So you're looking for council's approval of doing an art piece at the . If you want to talk about it, let us know later, but I can get with Trevor. But one, it'd be approval to put it at the arena. And two, for them to go out and have a grassroots fundraising, raise money for the sculpture. And when enough is raised, then they would commission the artist to create the real one. And we could bring back renderings of what the actual real one would look like. Which the Park and Trails has agreed to help raise some of that fund, right? Not directly. Through the foundation. Through the foundation, yes. But no public, no money from the city would be, we're not requesting any dollars from the city. All we're requesting is permission, contract, all those type of things to put the thing on city property. Do we have any liability around this? We always do. I mean, you're talking about in terms of injuries, personal injuries? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we always are going to have anything on city property. up for potential injury. Someone's going to figure out a way. But I would say the risk is present. It's really a question of, is it so much that you wouldn't want to do it? It sounds like so far from what we've heard, it hasn't been an excessive amount of risk based on like, so. Yeah. It would be similar to some of the statutes that we have at the store as far as . It will be in the ground solid. They have one of these down in St. George. No, and if there's a reason that we want this above ground, I mean, higher off the ground that you can't physically get up there, we can always change that. But we wanted the natural feel of the canyon with the rock. So we wanted to feel like not just on a stick or on a post, something like that. We could raise it up to where it's not climbable or whatever, but we didn't want to take away from the natural, the corner canyon and the craziness that they go up there. I mean, you probably have a larger... liability walking on a trail next to someone with one of these cool mountain bikes. All right, are three of you in favor of letting them begin fundraising? And are you okay if they play something later to be termed out that we started on? Yeah, I am. Would we get to kind of approve what, I mean, is it this particular statue? Is it something similar? This is all fresh parts. Okay, so when we go to one and a half times life size, right? I've been gathering parts, I'm gonna gather more parts. It's gonna be colorful, it's gonna be beautiful. It's an original piece, you know what I mean? So I really can't tell you exactly right now what piece is gonna go where as I put it together, and that's the art. That's the art in it. Yeah, I think I just kinda echo some of Tasha's concerns about we don't, I don't want, you know, having had a teenage boy, you know, I don't want it to be inviting to them to, you know, mess with it. So that would be my... think the more messing with it would be along they're going to take pictures with it you know and it's like you know it will be baseball bat proof i guess that's the best way it would be core drilled into the stone so the core drilling alone that shaft alone is going to be at least inch and a half to two inches thick you know so if this is you know heavy duty stuff all right so i got two of you i like public art i think art is really important for communities and residents. So you're a yes. I'm just a little worried about the liability piece of it. I want to make sure it doesn't fall over on a kid or someone listening for hand caught or some dumb teenager doesn't climb up on it and jump off. We've got liability like that for everything. We want to make sure it's very secure. And we use engineering to look at it and redo it. Can you put a do not climb up there? Does that do anything? And as long as people read signs. But with that said, well, there's a sign and you do. And I think there's concern, right? Is it an attractive nuisance? Does it appeal to a child who wants to get up and ride on it? Are they going to do something dumb like that? We have a big one of these at the big trailhead in Boulder. And it's been there for a long time. It's at St. George's. Yeah, St. George's has a huge one right by there, Gold Star. I think public art is really cool. something that we should invest in. Are you a yes? I'm a yes. Like I said, if we can focus on those safety issues. I want an approval from Tracy. I want you to run it through her a little bit. My other concern would be we hear a lot from residents that mountain bikers get all the attention and all the glory. Let's just make sure that you move forward and have other public art that honors the hiker. And we have the model of the horse and stuff like that. The horse in the hall. We have a horse in the hall that we're working, you know, just to give you guys other ideas. Again, I said hiker first, but, you know, we have a community that uses that mountain like Disneyland. So I, you know, but I do think that that is ultimately our goal is, is that this just tips over the domino and you guys start seeing more of this and there's more opportunities. art in the city that is really cool. I mean, when we were at Parks and Trails, they talked about, oh my gosh, we could do a hang glider. That's in your packet. I mean, we could do this, we could do this, we could do this. It kind of just, it just kind of started a firestorm of like what would be cool, you know, the different things. A rock climber. Yes, 100%. It would be nice to do like a family statue on a family statue. Yeah, yeah. And we talked about that at Red Rock for the rock climbers and things like that, you know, having something kind of cool that would be neat and different. So, anyway. We really don't have a lot of public art. One thing we did also talk about is tying this into America 250. Yeah, so we do have a flag there. You've seen the flag down there. So I painted the six white, seven red with some antique white and some antique red on just a piece of red, you know, like a rusted metallic. So another thing we talked about in sponsorship was like racing jerseys. And that's been kind of going back and forth with big sponsors. Because I have connections at Geneva Rock, Staker, know been around a long time that that uh and actually done a big giant research on all the different companies that are here in draper that donate towards you know art um you know so it is it's like it's an opportunity you'll read that in here it's an opportunity to celebrate the entire year of you know what i mean of our 250th birthday of starting from scratch these sculptures are from scratch and they you know we turn into something beautiful Okay, we got, sorry, we got stuff to do, and we've got three, four people agreed, so time to stop talking. Thanks. Okay. By the way, Troy, these are already spoken for. I was going to say, I want to buy one of those. And I want that one down there. Because that's how I land. I've landed that way before. Well, you'll appreciate this, so, you know, because he has some movement, and he'll spin his head around and be like, and then here's the best one. He used to drop the five. That's how your arm goes, too, when you crash. Thanks, Trevor. You guys have a great day. Thanks, Ryan. Thank you for the opportunity. All right, we have a reason for a closed session to talk about pending and potential litigation against the city of Draper. Is there a motion to enter a closed session for that reason? So moved. Motion by Tasha. And a second? Fred? Second? Yes. Okay, I got a second, but I don't have Brenda. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our city council meeting. I would like to call the meeting to order and get us underway. We apologize for being a few minutes late. We had some other business we had to do. So first item of business is a call to meeting to order, which I've done. We're going to have the Pledge of Allegiance led by our Director of Finance, Mr. John Veik. John, come on up. Thank you, John. Next item on our agenda is an opportunity for people to make a general public comment to the council. There are, on our agenda, we have two, three public hearings. Item 5A, 5B, and 5C. If you're here to make public comment on those public hearings, we ask that you wait until those are called so we can keep our record clear. But if you have a general public comment, something not on the agenda that you would like the council to listen to you I have one card here from Eddie and Diana Turpin and it says here you do not want to talk is that correct you do want to talk okay got another card from Tyler Ashby Tyler if you want it you want to speak as well okay I know there's at least two so let me go over the rules with you if you look at the card they're on there this is an opportunity for comment to the council We aren't answering questions. It's not a conversation with the council if you haven't done it before. We will listen to you. The timer, to my right, is at three minutes, and everybody gets three minutes. You don't have to use them all, but you can. But at the end of three minutes, your turn will be up, and we treat everybody with that equal level of fairness. But give us your name and address. That'll start your time. And you can ask the council questions. They'll be rhetorical. Council may address the issues later on in the meeting, Right now, it's just an opportunity for you to be heard by the council. So I've got the cards. I'll call up and I'll let anyone that wants to speak, speak. Eddie Turpin, come on up, sir. Give us your name and address for the record and go ahead, sir. Anyway, I'm Eddie Turpin. I live on 1120 East, 13400 South, where this has went on for years. I've talked about opening up 13400. approximately 90s I think 945 something like that I was just concerned if to see what I could do or my neighbors have been in here before to stop that but if not I wanted to know if they were going to put in a curb and gutter and if they do great if also even if they don't put curb and gutter What they need to do mostly also is put speed bumps on that road because it's going to turn it into a flipping racetrack. I used to live on 1565 East, which is Relation Street, and 12400 South, and people would race down that road, and then they'd put those two big, giant speed bumps on the road just east of Relation Street on like 1600 East. It might be considered 1700 East. They had two of those big, giant speed bumps And that slowed people down through the neighborhood. So that's my main concern. If they do that, they definitely need to put those speed bumps in. Also, there's a place in that neighborhood that's just a little south of me. So if you go to 13400 south, just off of 13th East, and you go down to 1100 East, and then you go south about two blocks, about 135, 150 south, and you have to make a left and you come to another stop sign, And I don't know what that road is, but there's another gate in that neighborhood that takes you out to the 13800, but it's always locked. I don't know if somebody privately owns that gate, but it's kept there. I was wondering if they could open that up instead of opening up 134, if that's a possibility. But my main concern was if they were going to at least put a curb and gutter. But if not that, then definitely put those giant speed bumps. Because right now it's a nice, peaceful neighborhood. You know, nobody comes down through there except the people that live there. If they open 13400 up, that's just going to just turn that road all the way from Boulder Street all the way to 13th East, and it's just going to make it a nightmare through there. So there's a lot of kids that live up in that neighborhood. And I don't want to have to be in here for yelling at people going down that road 80 miles an hour. But if you put those speed bumps in, it would make a difference for, like I said, my neighborhood I lived in before. On 17th East, it really slowed people down because you can only hit those big speed bumps so fast. It'll throw your car pretty good if you do so. And so that's all I have to say. I was told that the meeting was going to be at 6 o'clock today on this subject, but apparently somebody must have told me wrong. But I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Next person, Tyler Ashby. Come on up, sir. Slide this aside. I've also provided handouts. So my name is Tyler Ashby. My address is 1116 East, 132nd South. I'm here to talk to you today because my mother has almost been hit multiple times at an unsafe intersection created by a developer without permission from the city. There is a steep and unacceptable cost to deferred accountability. While my focus is on a specific developer and a specific safety issue, My words here today go out to every builder in this city. And that message is you are welcome to profit alongside us, but you will not defer your accountability when it comes to the safety of our citizens and the standards of our community. When we consider the very real constraints that are placed on local governments, it becomes critical to act when possible. Utah is open for business, and I'm glad that it is. Our pro-growth approach has made us one of the most resilient economies in the country when it comes to recessions. However, the other side of that coin is often local governments are constrained with the abilities to limit developers. We here in Draper know this all too well. From developers, private engineering reports, or state-mandated mining rights. I don't bring these up as a sore spot. I don't bring these up as a criticism of our leadership. I bring them up for one crucial point. Because our hands are so often tied, when we have the ability to act, we must act, which brings us to an account of documented defiance. We have a developer in a situation where the city has full authority to act. This developer has built a well over eight foot sign in a prohibited location. The city has already notified the developer that constructing without a permit allows action at the developer's own risk. Which brings us to asking the question, with this hazard still standing on a public utility easement today, the city stands on formal notice. We have to ask ourselves, why do we do this and who is benefiting? Well, I am not personally able to comment on the 12 by 12 triangle that is referenced on the permit. I didn't even know it's a rule. What I can say is the physical reality is undeniable. It is an unsafe intersection. Pedestrians, cyclists, joggers cannot see cars as they approach that intersection. I have never once seen a car stop at the actual stop line. In the photo evidence I've provided you, that's a photo of our own contracted garbage truck driver driving down a private lane, sitting high up in his cab, unable to see over this 12-foot sign. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to address the council on a matter not on the agenda for public hearing, but general public comment? All right, seeing no further general public comment, we'll move forward on our agenda. Item number four, item number four are items for consent for the council. Item 4A is approval of the meeting minutes of the February 17th, 2026 and March 3rd, 2026 city council meeting minutes. Item 4B is approval of the assessment in lieu for Stony Brook Homes at 997 East, 13450 South. Is there a motion? Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt the consent items. I have a motion by Brynn to adopt the consent items. Is there a second? I'll second. Tasha? Yes. Second by Tasha. Is there any further discussion? Archie and Brynn, how do you vote? Yes. Tasha? Yes. Catherine? Yes. Fred? Yes. Those items are approved unanimously 4-0. Item number five is a public hearing. 5A is a public hearing regarding the providing of local consent for a single event permit for HPV, for HPP, sorry, man, HVPC LLC, DBA Peak Pickleball Club. Travis, go ahead, sir. Okay, local consent for HVPC LLC is for a single event permit They're going to be holding this single event on April 11th, 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. It's going to be at 1055 East Draper Parkway, Suite 300. It's going to be called Dinks and Drinks Spring Fling. Single event permits allow for the storage, sale, and consumption of alcohol for a limited duration, which is up to 120 hours, and they're just doing three. Qualifications. Qualifications. There's some limitation on how many they could apply for. Travis, you put that mic more right in your face. Sorry. Thank you. There's a limitation on how many a single person or organization can apply for in a year. And this organization has only applied for one so far. So there, meet that qualification. Action is to provide local consent or deny local consent. And as a note, our code says there's no limitation on the number of single event permits the city can grant. Thank you, Travis. Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council on item 5A, providing local consent for single event permit for HVPC LLC DBAP Pickleball Club? All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close the public comment period. Bring us back to the council. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move to approve providing local consent for a single event permit. All right, motion with Ms. Lowry to approve 5A. Is there a second? I second. Second by Ms. Johnson. Any further discussion? It was Ms. Dallin. Oh, Dallin? Did you do it? Yeah, I'm deaf in that ear. Sorry. Let the record reflect. It was Catherine that seconded the motion. I apologize. All right. Who made the motion? Yes. How do you vote? Yes. Catherine? Yes. Brad? Yes. Brynn? Yes. All right. Sorry. Item's approved. Four to zero. That takes us to Item 5B. This is also a public hearing. It's Ordinance 1708. It's an ordinance approving the Kimball's Lane Junction Development Agreement Amendment for approximately 21 acres of property located at approximately 632 East Kimball's Lane within Draper City. We'll have a staff report by Jennifer Jastrzemski. Jennifer, go ahead. Great, thank you. So you're all familiar with this property. We've had a development agreement last year on it, as well as a stationary plan. But it's between Kimball's and 119th South and just across the street from the Kimball's track station. Historically, most of it's been farmed. There were, up until recently, four homes on the property. It is in the residential high-density land use designation, as well as the RM2 multifamily zoning designation. Just to kind of remind you about the Kimball Station Area Plan, that's looking at all properties within a half-mile radius of the track station itself. Our Station Area Plan specifically looked at properties that were kind of ripe for redevelopment, vacant land, that kind of thing. and right next to the station. So it really concentrated on this property as well as UTA's property. It did look for multifamily housing on the property, as well as a trail along the creek and a connection for these two pieces. Okay, so the proposed development agreement before you tonight, It maintains that density that's already been approved at the 25 to 27 units per acre. It does fully comply with our parking code. So they're not asking for any deviations in parking. And we'll change the name from Kimball's Junction to Kimball's Station. They have quite a few different amenities within the community for their residents, a clubhouse with a pool, workout room. They have a dog park, playground, seating areas. They're proposing a public trail along East Jordan Canal with good faith efforts to preserve existing trees. That trail is on our master plan. But I want to take a second to talk about what that good faith effort for trees means. So the canal runs here. You can see this section of canal is actually on a separate piece of property where this section, kind of skirts the subject site and the property to the north. So as they're going in and they're putting that trail along their property and along that canal, they're gonna work to keep and preserve the trees that they can. But like right here, you can see a bunch of trees, but the road will, they'll have a road that goes through here. So they will have to remove trees from here for that road and and the bridge that will go in. So though there will be some impact to the trees, but the goal is to preserve as many as we can. And obviously the trees that are on, you know, private property that are not part of the development, they they can't impact. See, I had one more on here. 119 South will be used for emergency access only. And they will have removable bollards. TO PREVENT ACCESS GENERALLY. SITE DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC BUILDING ELEVATIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR APPROVAL. BUILDING HEIGHTS WOULD BE UP TO 54 FEET. SO THE CONDOS, THEY HAVE A FOUR STORY BUILDING AND A THREE STORY BUILDING AND THE TOWNHOMES WILL ALSO BE THREE STORIES IN HEIGHT. THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PEDESTRIAN NETWORK DESIGN THAT WILL GO OVER VERSUS HAVING A STRICT SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET CONFIGURATION. PARKING SPACES ARE ASKING FOR A TWO-FOOT REDUCTION ON THE LENGTH OF BOTH CAR PORTS AND PARALLEL SPACES. AND THEN OVERALL OPEN SPACE REDUCTION FROM 30% TO 25%. SETBACK STANDARDS, 10-FOOT SETBACKS FROM public roads are code. Is kind of dependent on the height of the building. Three stories or less or over three stories. And then they're asking for 10 feet in between buildings on site. Driveways they're requesting 18 foot deep driveways as well as garage setback of 18 feet. So our code generally requires 20 feet for driveways. Alleys and roadways, the street system will be 27 feet wide alleys. Sorry. There we go. It's going the wrong way. I apologize. They're requesting 20 feet on the alleyways. Our code typically requires 26, and I do have an image of those alleys. So that would be your 20-foot alley here. and then each unit has the 18 foot driveway. They're requesting to eliminate the land use buffer next to Juan Diego. They will have a 10 foot buffer adjacent to residential properties along the West property line with an eight foot wall. Signage. REQUESTING TWO FREESTANDING MONUMENT SIGNS AT THE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES, AND THEN THE SIGNS WOULD COMPLY WITH MONUMENT SIGN STANDARDS WITHIN OUR CODE FOR HEIGHT AND SIZE. PUBLIC STREETS, FOR KIMBLES LANE, THEY WANT TO DO AN INTEGRATED SIDEWALK PARK STRIP. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A TRADITIONAL PARK STRIP WITH TREES AND THEN A SIDEWALK, THEY WANT TO DO A 10-FOOT SIDEWALK WITH TREES PLANTED IN GRAITS, KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE. PIONEER. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR SMALL DEVIATIONS TO BE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS LONG AS THOSE TWO STANDARDS THERE ARE MET, THAT IT'S NOT, WON'T MATERIALLY AFFECT THE OVERALL DESIGN AND IS NECESSARY DUE TO TECHNICAL ENGINEERING ISSUES. And then it does set a standard that if there is a conflict between the code and the layout and the designs, the the layout does supersede with the exception of life, safety and fire protection. OK, so the actual drawings that are the exhibits. This is their overall layout, so the kind of green grayish color are your four story condos. The Brown is your three story condos and then. The yellow is your townhomes. So this would be the clubhouse building. You can see they have several open space areas. Each townhome building, each townhome has its own garage, and then each condo building does have a row of 10 garage spaces as well. Open space on this plan, you can see the red is actually those walkways. So this is their proposed walkway system. Our code does require crosswalks. They have not requested any deviation to that. So there will be crosswalks provided when they come through for their site plan, but that's what their pedestrian connections and network would look like. Some images of the open space, the clubhouse. And then. Some additional amenity spaces between playgrounds, dog parks, sitting areas, the pool area, that kind of thing. And then the trail. Would be here along along the property line abutting the canal. Building elevation. So these are their four story units. They have units that have peaked roofs and then units that have more flat roofs. There are three story units and then the townhomes. Parking like I said, they're not requesting any deviations to parking specifically. They will have garages. COVERED AND UNCOVERED AND THEY WILL HAVE SOME AREAS OF PARALLEL ON STREET PARKING IN JUST A FEW AREAS. BUT IT DOES FULLY COMPLY WITH OUR CODE FOR PARKING. SO PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. THEY HAD A COUPLE RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY WANTED TO SEE THE LANGUAGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT clarified that that canal trail will be installed and dedicated to the city. And these next three were actually recommendations from staff. The first two, staff wanted to make sure that it was very clear in the development agreement that any public improvements, public right-of-way would comply with city standards, except for where it's been outlined in the development agreement TO DO OTHERWISE, AND THAT WOULD BE THAT PARK STRIP SIDEWALK CONFIGURATION ALONG KIMBLES. AND THEN THE DEVELOPER HAD BEEN PROPOSING TO NOT, WELL, THE STAFF HAD ASKED FOR A HALF COLDSACK ON 119th. THE DEVELOPER HAD PROPOSED TO NOT DO A COLDSACK, SO WE WERE ASKING FOR THAT. THE DEVELOPER HAS SINCE SUBMITTED AN UPDATED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. addressing the Planning Commission recommendations. So this is the language that they're proposing to put in Section 3.2.2 that does talk about construction dedication of the public trail along the canal. They are agreeing to install that half cul-de-sac on 119 South. and dedicate that to the city. And then the clarifying language, just that public improvements will comply with code. And I just have a couple images here. Like I said, I believe the houses have been taken down. But yeah, happy to answer any questions. Questions for Jennifer. I have a couple. I have a question about some of the variances for the setbacks. I'm concerned about going from 15 feet to 10 feet. I feel like that's about a third of the amount of variance that they're asking for. So I'm questioning that as well as the variance for the alleyways. It ends up being a total of eight feet that we're taking away. If you talk about the alleyway being... 20 instead of 26, and then the driveway being 18 instead of 20, that's a total of an 8-foot deviation for that area as well. So I'm just concerned that it's going to feel like we've just crammed so much stuff in that space. And in addition with also saying that there only needs to be a 25% open space. So I feel like all of those factors might contribute to a really dense feeling space instead of... more of a community that's open and walkable and. Yeah, well, and I'll point out the the alleys, the the 20 foot alleyways, there's. Four of them, five of them. There's there. They're right here, here, here and then here and I I think right here as well. So so they're they're not the whole. The majority of the project will have 27 foot wide roads throughout. So there is that. It's not, every building isn't served by a 20 foot wide alley. So sorry, it's the, there's three on project. Yeah, so there's this one, this one, this one, And then this one here. I'm not sure about these. I'd have to go in and... But on the other parcel as well? Are those the... Oh, you know what? These two would be as well. Sorry. These two would be as well. So those are the alleys, and then the rest are the 27. But that's going to be the main access to those townhomes, correct? Yes. And then the driveway's been reduced to 18 feet. So I share a similar concern, Brynn. Because at an 18-foot driveway, can you park a truck in that without going out into the street? I'm not sure about a truck. A standard car, you can. But I'm not sure about a truck. Yeah, so, I mean, these are questions to ask the applicant on their design. Okay, because I feel like it's double, right? We've put one variance against another variance, and so it's, do you see what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, and I... I think to Brynn and Fred's point, this being part of a station area plan, there were many things that we could not control with this project, including density. to now be in front of us asking for so many deviations from code is a little worrisome. I'd like to know that there's a really good rationale for these requests because otherwise my assumption would be that city code is right and proper. So my thought is the RM2 zone really is designed for townhomes. So our existing RM2 zone is designed for townhomes, 12 units per acre. condos, things like that. So it is designed for development that's quite a bit less dense. So with this project, it's got a lot higher density than what our standards were designed for. So I'll use open space as an example. The RM2 zone requires the 30% open space for a transit oriented development. 30% is extremely high. 25% is even probably high for a transit-oriented development. So I think it's trying to design a high-density project with code that's designed for still high density, but not as high density. Because there's nothing in our code that goes up to 24 or 25. Correct. Yeah, everything that we have that has higher than 12, it's in a... commercial special district zone or a transit station district zone that has specific standards for that development can i ask on that and just on those variances so that was the one that i was curious you had said that they were asking for a variance on the open space and so it's it's zoned for 30 and what is it that they're asking 25 for 25 oh okay yeah they want 25 So my concern would be because this is more dense, perhaps we want to be even more cautious with things like these driveway lengths. Okay. Because if we do have a bunch of trucks that are sticking out into the alleyway or roadway, I can see that becoming a traffic issue. Especially if it's only a 12-foot road that it's sticking out into. And that's not a one-lane road, so you're going to have vehicles parked across the street from each other. Those driveways are going to be facing each other. That's a problem. I think it's a problem. It's not the density that's my concern. It's the proximity between each of these buildings and driveways and things. Well, I think to Bryn's point, we want it to be a community, a livable community. And if the trucks are bumping into each other as they're backing out, it's not going to work. Or a van, a minivan even. I mean, it's – that's tight. I think it might be helpful to see, just because you said that we don't have this kind of density – our zoning isn't necessarily, it would be interesting to see in a transit-oriented development in another place where they have the shorter, what they're asking for, if we could see that and see, I don't know if it exists, do you know what I mean? But seeing an example of what it was, because it just feels a lot smaller than what we have, so it would be interesting if that has been done before and it works without feeling cramped. we can do some research and bring back some projects that kind of have similar setups. I don't have any off the top of my head to pull up Google Earth and show you, but that's something staff could do some research on and bring back. I think it would be helpful to know kind of what those standards are and if some of these deviations fall within those standards. Okay. I think my other big concern, do you mind going to the sidewalk, the one that illustrated the sidewalk? And I will say that I do feel like this is fairly walkable, but I had a lot of little kids at one point in my life, and I needed to feel like if I was walking around with them in a stroller and some out and about, that we were walking in a safe spot. And I'm concerned that some of these don't, really connect from one place to another with a sidewalk so like that lower that that lower row of those like townhomes there's no sidewalk on that private drive right there so if they wanted to walk around there they couldn't really walk safely to get to 119th do you see do you see what i'm saying yeah and 119th the public portion of 119th ends right here so everything West of that is private property. So they would need to kind of come over here to to get to the public portion. But yes, I I see where you're what you're you're saying on on taking a look at those those connections. Because I just think for me, I mean, walking was very important and I think this is a community that we want to encourage walking to tracks to to those kinds of things. I just want to make sure that the connections all make sense. Well, they're going to be conceivably walking within the development to go to these different amenities, right? So let's make sure that the sidewalks all connect throughout the development. It's kind of difficult to tell on this picture where the sidewalks actually are. So you could request another exhibit for walkways specific. I mean, if the red lines are the sidewalks, it seems some of them just kind of dead end and they don't connect into the next project. I'd also like to see where the crosswalks are. And then I just have a couple other questions. So I noticed that in some of the stationary plans, we talked about lighting and the standards for that. Will those be addressed in a site plan? Yes. So they have not requested any deviations to lighting within the development agreement. So any lighting would have to comply with our code. We do have strict lighting standards, pole height, foot candle levels that they would have to comply with. Okay. And then will we be getting an updated traffic study now that we have a little bit more information? So, yeah. So with the site plan, they'll be required to do a traffic study. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Any other questions for Jennifer right now? All right, this is the public hearing. It's ordinance number 1708. Is there anyone here that would like to address the council on item 5B, ordinance 1708? Hold on, Paxton. You're not the public. Is there anyone from the public that would like to address the council? This is the public hearing, this item right now. If you want to come up, give us your name and address. Go ahead, ma'am. Mary Schumann, 402 East Mountainberry Drive. I'm just asking a question about that traffic study. Is that something that's going to be made available to the community? Is that something you're going to visit for a set of hearing for to look at, or how does that work? It's not a question and answer period. It's a public comment. That's your comment? Yeah, I'm just wondering what the process was on accepting this kind of high-density development prior to the traffic study results. Thank you. Anyone else like to address the council? I just want to make a comment. Give us your name and address, sir. Eddie Turpin, 1120 East, 13400 South. I just Googled how long my truck is. You're talking about with the 18-foot driveway, 18 feet. Well, I have a Toyota Tundra crew cab with a small bed. That's 19.47 feet, so 19.5 feet with the short bed. If you have the long bed, that's another foot, so that's 20.5 feet. So you can just take that into your driveway considerations. Now, I don't know about the sidewalks. Just throw that out there. Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to address the council on Item 5B, Ordinance 1708? Come on up. Sylvia Anderson. I have rental properties. One of the addresses is 655 East, 1-1900 South, and it backs right onto the project. I would... I would be concerned in listening to the number of variances, just as Ms. Johnson was, that these are very tight. The city's codes are being reduced. I understand this is to be a tight project, but when you reduce the parking spaces and some of the sizes of the streets, that's going to cause future problems. it's almost like can we move some of the density some other way so that you can continue having spaces. Another thing I wanted to bring up to the city is that about 30 years ago, when the Catholic Diocese bought the property further to the, well, in between these two projects, no, further to the west of these projects, The discussion in the city meetings was 300 East and what was going to happen because the project was right in the middle of the right-of-way. At that time, the discussion was, yes, this is a public right-of-way, and the city public would continue to use that right-of-way with only having that right-of-way affected occasionally. And it seems to me that's been reversed where usually you don't use that right away. So it may be worth investigating what the agreement was because what I see in looking at this is, yes, there will be a traffic study done and we will have confirmed what we already all know. Traffic is a huge issue. It's an issue now. You're adding 500 residences. it's going to be a problem and so to look at this with ideas of how to uh... diffuse the traffic in different directions even at this time maybe even just in your council meetings i don't believe that this is an issue primarily for this developer i'm saying it's an issue for the city and that this is going to continue exacerbating the problem so uh... Those were things that I just wanted to mention for your consideration. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else like to address the council on this item? All right. Seeing no further public comment on this, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the council. Mr. Guymon, do you want to address the council from your side of the... Yes, thank you. Give your name and address, Paxton. Good evening, Mayor and City Council members. Paxton Guymon, General Counsel for Edge Homes. Our office is here in Draper City, just off of 2nd West. I appreciate your time tonight, and I assure you, you are asking all the right questions. And we have dealt with these issues over the last nine months as we've come up with this plan to present to you tonight. I want to take a step back and just remind you kind of where we're at and how we got here. You'll recall that last June in 2025, we got a development agreement and a rezone approved by this same body. And at the time, there were concerns about a stationary plan being crammed down from the state that could have resulted in apartments with 40 units per acre. And so I think there was a policy-based decision that you made, a well-founded decision, that we were better off approving a project that would be owner-occupied, that provides for 30 workforce housing units with additional price credits and subsidies from the developer, THAT PROVIDES FOR A PRODUCT MIX, BUT PRIMARILY A DENSITY THAT WE ALL AGREED UPON. A DENSITY THAT WOULD BE NOT LESS THAN 25 UNITS PER ACRE, NOT MORE THAN 27 UNITS PER ACRE. AND WE KNEW AT THE TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR CODE EXEMPTIONS. WHY? BECAUSE THE CITY ONLY HAS ONE ZONE THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO THIS DENSITY, AND THAT'S THE RM2 ZONE. THE RM2 ZONE CONTEMPLATES ABOUT 12 UNITS PER ACRE. Let me just tell you, there is no possible way to comply with the RM2 zone and hit the zoning or the density units that were approved when the property was rezoned. It is not possible. Maybe we could come close if all we built were four-story condominiums in this entire project with not much open space, with not many common amenities. The reason you are seeing so many requests for exemptions is because it allows us to do a few really key things. Please bear with me as I recite these. One, we have a great product mix. We have three different residential products here. Three-story condominium buildings, four-story condominium buildings, and townhomes. That provides a different product mix and price point for the varying demands of the market. It also provides for variety within the project, which is a nice element. By having this sort of a layout, We have a lot of open spaces. It's unheard of to have a project that's 25 units per acre with 25% open space. We've achieved that. And we've done it through the very things we're asking you to approve tonight. You look at the alleyways. I know that was a concern you rightfully raised. By the way, this is not new. We have built communities with the same 20 foot wide alleyway cross section with the 18 foot driveways. And they function well. Now, you're not going to fit an F-250 with a long bed, but we don't design our projects for that buyer, candidly. If somebody wants to be able to park their F-250 with a long bed in their driveway, this isn't the project for them. That's fine. Nothing requires us to design to that standard. But we do fit the majority of cars with an 18-foot driveway. And if we could pull back up that image, Jen, that shows the private alleyways with the driveways next to it. Keep in mind, let's see. Oh, now there's so many pictures, I'm not sure where it was. But you not only have the 20-foot wide, there we go, the 20-foot wide alley, you have the 18-foot driveways there. So it does, there is more room for backing out and pulling in. It's not just a 20-foot alleyway right up against buildings. You've got the driveways there to provide additional space. Please. You're saying that's a 20-foot, those private lanes are 20 feet wide? The total cross-section of that lane is 20 feet wide. And then 18 on each side for the driveway. On either side. So I'm happy to address the various questions, but I think we need to keep in mind what we were trying to accomplish when this project was approved. And I can tell you, I guess the best way to look at this project is that it's like a puzzle. You've got the land, the zoning, the policy-based design objectives that we want. That's like the picture of the puzzle on the box that we're all trying to achieve. But some of the code requirements are pieces that don't fit. They don't work. And so we're asking for exemptions from those code requirements to allow those pieces of the puzzle to come together. And if you stay rigid on some of those code requirements, the puzzle doesn't come together. We literally lose significant density the moment you say, We want a 26-foot-wide cross-section here. It doesn't work. We have analyzed this from every engineering angle, and what you see is our best effort to meet the density that was approved and still provide a project that has open space, pedestrian trail connectivity, a product mix, and a functional, livable community. I can promise you this is much better than a 40-unit-per-acre apartment project. You have to understand that what you're saying to us brings us back to that moment where we're being told we have no choice but to approve this. And now you're wanting variances on things that we do have some control over, right? Like we would not be approving stationary plans if we did not have to, right? So we both, you and the council, want this to be as good as it possibly can be. We really do. And so having some concerns I think is very normal because some of this was forced upon us. So we're doing our very best to address those concerns so it is livable. I agree with you. I guess I would say what would you change and still give us the minimum of 25 units an acre? I mean, you're welcome to lower that if you want. None of us are going to say no. Hey, I'm okay with 15. Yeah, I mean, can I go back to the sellers and ask them to lower the price they had us pay for the land? Because that's the same position we're in. Well, I mean, there are a lot of components. We bought the land after you approved the zoning with the vested density. That's my point. There are a lot of elements of this that I really like. I really want Draper to have more housing that feels like a community and not just housing. So I love a lot of the amenities that you have, and I understand that it's a tradeoff. You could, instead of having amenities, put more housing in, right? I would rather have the amenities than the housing, quite frankly, just because I want people to stay here. These can be forever homes for people. They don't have to be a temporary place to live. But along with that, I want it to feel, I guess for me, it's a lot about the feeling that people have when they walk through here and that they're living here. And I do, I appreciate that the clarification from Jen as well, that in our city code, we don't have anything that addresses that. you know, 25 units per acre standards really for housing. So I think that was helpful. Yeah, and I think I shared some of the concerns about the variances, but I appreciate, I definitely was, I wasn't on the council then, but I was, when I came, like the 40 units per acre just felt overwhelming for this area. So I definitely am, happy about keeping it at a lower density than the state requires for the transit-oriented development. So I appreciate what you're doing, and I like this much better than a bunch of only four-story condo buildings. That really is the alternative. Yeah. I like this mixed use. I like the community feeling like she's talking about. I think that because maybe we don't have a precedent really in our community that we like the feel, that we like that that that 18-foot driveway feels short, even though maybe it's not for a development like this. So I think that's some of the concern. As far as the livability, I wanted to point out that on our condominiums, every condominium unit has at least three bedrooms. And the reason I think that's important is that you talk about having families that are stable, a stable community. There's not going to be a condominium unit that's less than 1,200 square feet. That might sound small to a lot of people, but there are so many condominium units that are 600, 700 square feet, one or two bedrooms max. We're providing housing that families can actually stay in for a while while they have some children. That's what helps with the sustainability being a stable community. And I won't, you know, I still have to say, We've made very serious commitments about this being an owner-occupied project. We can't sell to institutional investors. We're providing 30 price-restricted units to school teachers, city employees, first responders. There are some really good benefits to the community from what we've already negotiated with the city. We're proud of this product, and I believe you will be too once you see how well it's built out. Yeah, I think that's a big concern is that we want this to... to represent Draper well, and it is different from anything that I think we've seen before. So we want to make sure that it's done well, done right. Thank you. Any further questions for me? Can I ask Jen a question? Just on those alleyways, I was just looking at the slides, and they're asking for alleys at... and the code requires minimum of 26, is that a separate code for alleyways, or is it we don't have a separate thing for streets and alleyways, and so they're asking for a variance from a regular street to create an alleyway? Yes, so the multifamily code has a standard for alleyways, and that's the 26. What it doesn't have is a set standard for streets, for multifamily. Typically with those, we're looking at fire code, not the zoning code. So like I said, they're proposing 27-foot-wide streets throughout and then 20-foot-wide alleys. Okay. And I would assume the 27-foot-wide streets meet fire code. Yes. And Clint, This is all okay with your guys? You're confident in your access, your turnaround points? Yeah, this has all been reviewed by our fire marshal in terms of access and turnarounds. It meets fire code. Okay. Jen, were the main concerns that were voiced in planning commission, were they addressed in the changes that were made since? Yes. And are those the same concerns that planning staff had? Yeah, so the Planning Commission... Sorry, this mouse is a little... Okay, I won't touch it. Item two on this, those three items were staff-recommended recommendations to Planning Commission that they included in their recommendation to you. THE FIRST ITEM THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTLY. SO ALL FOUR OF THESE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT. SO THAT'S THE LANGUAGE. TO THE POINT THAT PLANNING STAFF IS NOW OKAY WITH IT. YES. OKAY. SO THE REALITY IS WE HAVE THE DENSITIES ALREADY SET. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO ADJUST. WE HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER WE DECIDE TO PUSH FOR 26-FOOT ALLEYWAYS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT AND NOT HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE FITS BETTER WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TOWN HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE IT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE GIVE AND TAKE THAT WE HAVE. THE DENSITY ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE, RIGHT? SO I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS. because I do like the mix of the townhomes with this. That was an important thing to us, and to have the three-story, four-story, so it wasn't just one big, tall development. I do like the trail access, too. I think that's important, that the whole public will have access, which is great. I share your concerns, Brynn, too, but I think, for me, that's just a trade-off that we have to face, I guess, maybe, keep it diverse with the townhomes and having three and four story i i don't know that that's what my conclude conclusion is so mr mayor i'll make a motion that we approve ordinance 1708 all right motion by mr lowry to approve 17 ordinance 1708 is there a second do we need to add in these proposed changes um i i would make your i i would include them in your motion um i do have the updated development agreement with that language and nicole has that but that wasn't what went out in the packet so i would include these changes i'll amend that the motion to include the proposed changes that provided in our report. All right, motion by Mr. Lowry to approve the development agreement with the changes that are in the reports are second. I'll second. All right, second by Ms. Dolan. Is there any further discussion on this item? All right, hearing none, Mr. Lowry, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Dolan, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Lowry, how do you vote? Yes. Ms. Johnson, how do you vote? Yes. Items approved unanimously 4-0. Next item is item 5C. It's also a public hearing. It's ordinance 1709, ordinance 1710, and ordinance 1711. An ordinance amending the official land use map of Draper City, an ordinance amending the official zoning map of Draper City, and an ordinance approving the Fratto Farms Development Agreement for approximately 2.03 acres of property located at 791 East 12200 South, known as the Frato Farms Land Use Map Amendment, Zoning Map Amendment, and Development Agreement, staff report by Nick Whitaker. Nick, go ahead, sir. Thank you. CS, this is the Frato Farms Development Agreement Land Use Map Amendment and Zoning Map Amendment request. The applicant, Troy Dana, is here with us this evening. Here's a vicinity map of the subject property. Here's an aerial map. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF 800 EAST AND 12200 SOUTH. LAND USE MAP. IT'S LAND USE IS CURRENTLY A RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DENSITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE WEST, IT CHANGES TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AND TO THE SOUTH AS WELL. HERE'S THE ZONING MAP. IT'S RA2 CURRENTLY. And as you can see, to the south and the west there is commercial property, or commercial zoned property. The applicant is requesting a change to the land use map, changing it to or from residential medium density to residential high density. So here's a chart. showing the residential medium density and the residential high density from the city's general plan. The main reason behind this is to increase the density and have a compatible zoning. The proposed zoning map amendment would change its current zoning from RA2, which allows for 20,000 square foot minimum lot size, to RN2. which would allow for up to 12 dwelling units per acre maximum. For a lot this size, it would allow for approximately 24 dwelling units. As I just mentioned, some of the changes that would be made to the lot size and the maximum amount of units that could be developed at the property would be up to 24. The applicant is also requesting a development agreement. The key components of the agreement is some mechanisms to regulate the density by making it so no more than 15 lots shall be permitted. So as I mentioned earlier, 24 would be by right if it were allowed to be RN2, and this would reduce that to 15. The housing type is limited to detached single-family homes. So it would be one detached single-family home per lot, so 15 detached single-family homes. Each lot is limited to one detached single-family home. The building height is limited to 35 feet from existing grade to peak of roof. Now, that's different from what is allowed PER CITY ORDINANCE. PER CITY ORDINANCE IT ALLOWS UP TO 35 FEET TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF. SO TECHNICALLY YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. THIS WOULD CAP IT AT 35 FEET. EACH LOT HAS FRONT, REAR AND SIDE YARD AREAS, INCORPORATES WALKABILITY AND PEDESTRIAN DESIGN. THE DEVELOPER PROVIDES SIDEWALK, CURB, GUTTER, PARK STRIP AND STREET TREES ALONG BOTH 800 EAST AND 12200 SOUTH. The design standards, it includes design standards that will not close off the development from the community, which includes facing some of the lots toward 800 East. You notice this with many of the, some of the smaller development agreements that kind of close themselves off from the community. This would have homes that would face the street. The agreement includes and incorporates a master plan as well. The developer is asking for some lot-specific changes to RM2 setback requirements. This is a list of some of those. Most of this comes down to front setbacks being reduced by about five feet, as well as allowing a few of the lots along 800 East to have driveways that are 15 feet in length. Here's a master plan that shows that. So as you can see, lot 10 and 11, and as the developer has it, the future lot 15 would face 800 East. There wouldn't be a wall going around the development. It would be open, continuous with the existing residential structures in the area. As you can see as well, a sidewalk and park strip is included. There currently is not any sidewalk, so this will be a good improvement to the neighborhood by allowing the feature of a sidewalk to increase the walkability as well as putting some pedestrian features within the development to allow convenient access to the park as well as sidewalks through the proposed street. To help illustrate what this could look like, I've gone through and provided a little bit of a study on some of the existing similar development agreements in the city. So here's Weedon Preserve. This is just a a Google Earth screenshot here. The minimum building height in this development is 24 feet in height. The maximum building height is 29 feet in height, and the average is 26 feet in height. The total development acreage is 4.25 acres. Another one is Rockwell Subdivision, and the building height is there on the slide in the development acreage. It does allow for front setbacks that aren't as common in many residential areas, but they are able to pull this off through design. Another is Draper Crossing at Kimball's Lane. As you can see, these are all smaller lots that are able to pull off density in a way that keeps a residential characteristic while allowing for smaller lot sizes. Rasmussen Farms, that's another development agreement that also maximizes the amount of existing space through using smaller lots, but designing it in a way that still makes it feel as though it is larger and blockable. Just some numbers at a glance here. That first chart IS SETBACKS. SO THOSE ARE ALL FRONT SETBACKS. AS YOU CAN SEE, BETWEEN 20 AND 10 IS COMMON IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT MR. DANA IS PROPOSING. THE REAR SETBACKS ARE REALLY 15 AND 10. YOU'LL SEE SOME OTHER SETBACKS THERE. specific to lots. I did find this to be a creative solution, however, to some of the front setbacks with some of these smaller developments. The front setback from the garage. As you can see, if you have a 10-foot setback from the house, they would allow that. They would allow the 10-foot setback as long as you set the garage back 20 feet. So it doesn't make the garage the focal feature. It gives the neighborhood, it gives it that neighborhood feel while allowing adequate space to park any number of large vehicles. And then building height. Again, this is just kind of a summary of what I just spoke about. So here's a site photo of the subject property. It's from 800 East. That's from 12200 South. And that's what the property looked like in 2025. The Planning Commission forwarded a negative recommendation for one vote. The basis of that recommendation was, one, that the proposed park is not a permanent park, and that the agreement needs to provide assurance that it will be permanent. At this time, the agreement DOES MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS NOT A PERMANENT PARK. TWO, THAT THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH ON LOTS 10, 11, AND 15 ARE ONLY 15 FEET IN LENGTH AND ENCROACHES 5 FEET INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO MEET THE REQUIRED 20 FEET IN LENGTH. THIS IS ANOTHER ISSUE, TOO, AS THE SIDEWALKS ARE PART OF THE AMENITY PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER. HOWEVER, IF HYPOTHETICALLY IF A VEHICLE IS you know, parked on the sidewalk, it's not much of an amenity at that point. Number three, that the number of lots would be better at 12. And number four, that the development agreement doesn't meet criteria four found in DCMC 95200C. And that's related to amenities. And that's the end of my presentation. I'd be happy to take any questions. Questions? I thought those comparisons of other communities was super helpful. Thank you so much. I wondered, do you have any idea or do you have in your stuff there, I didn't see, the size of those lots, the square footage of the Whedon Preserve, like that seems to be sort of a similar type of feel. How big are those lots? Do you know? Sure. I didn't put it in the presentation, but I do have a spreadsheet with me that does have that information. Awesome, I would love it. So let's see. I'm sorry, you'll have to bear with me as I find those numbers here. I apologize. The page that I printed does not have the lot size, the total lot size. However, I will show you. Nick, I pulled up the plot. Oh, perfect. So it looks like the lots in Weedon Preserve are anywhere from 4,076 square feet to 5,400 square feet. Thanks, and that's. Seems like from Frato Farms, I think from that sort of similar range. Is that right? Yeah. Here on the master plan, you can see the proposed lot size for each lot. That's helpful. Thank you. Any other questions? I think my questions will be with the applicant. Thank you, Nick. Good work. Thank you. All right, this is a public hearing. I guess we could do the applicant first. Do you want to listen to the public hearing? Do you want to come up now? However you want to do it. All right. So we'll do the public hearing first. This is a public hearing on Ordinance 1709 and Ordinance 1710 and Ordinance 1711. If you would like to, do you want to talk now? Yeah, I'm saying it might help to clear up a few things. Go ahead. Give us your name and address. Go ahead. Troy Dana. I'm the developer. Thanks, Nick. A couple things to clarify. Address. Oh, and my address is 1516 Cherry Creek Lane. I'm a resident of Draper almost 30 years. A couple things to clarify. The driveways, first of all, that was one of the things planning commission, and I wasn't there really to even clarify. So if Nick and I weren't on the same page. So as you look at that, And as we kind of found, tried to find a way to bump the houses to make the backyards bigger, we can still have a 20-foot driveway. The city easement there on 800 East, the curb will be where the curb is shown. Like that road's not going to be a wider road. So the way that that is shown right there, that's a 20-foot driveway. Five of it is in the city easement. Then you have a five foot sidewalk and then you've got about another 20. It's like 20 feet on lot 10. It's about 18 and a half feet on lot 11. We just thought that, hey, listen, that's a 45 foot driveway. If we want to try to make some of the backyards between 14, 13, 11 and 10 a little bit deeper, we could do that. Those are some of the variances that we're asking for. So because all the other lots in the backyards. are they meet the the code requirement in that rm2 20 feet 20 feet is pretty decent for a backyard of a homeless size but um now i've already done another reiteration of this we can make that work it just makes those lots 14 and 13 you know right now we're showing uh you know a 10 foot setback right there we can still have that it just it just brings that back in a little bit so we can get rid of that i don't have a problem with it or When we come in for site plan, I mean, that city easement is huge along 800 East. You know, that's basically, like I said, 20 feet on lot 10. So that's a 45-foot driveway right there. I'm asking to put five of it in the city. So that's the clarification on those. I could go either way. It really, you know, it doesn't matter. Lot 15. But that's going to take away from the backyard, though. Yeah, yeah. If we can keep it at a... 35-foot driveway, then the backyard could be 15 feet. Lot 15, that was kind of some discussion that we had. And staff, like, hey, you know, some of them said maybe, you know, get rid of the park. But in some other discussions that we've had, I think the park, I like the park. I like the open space. I think it's, you know, it makes it for a great community, whether it's there or it's located somewhere in the middle. I think we could We could move that around and do some things with that as well. The other projects that Nick showed, the only one that would come close to what I might build would be Kimball's Crossing. The Ramblers, if you even want to go to that one, or no, it's right here. The Kimball's Crossing, the next one. Yeah, no, that one. That would be the only thing that's even going to come close to what we would build. And I would say that like a loft above the garage or in the center part of my home is where we might have that like bonus room, that's it. So, I mean, I've tried to work with all the neighbors as much as we can. Yes, there's a height restriction of 35 feet. We could lower that down to 31 feet. But we, in discussion with staff, I was gonna go as far as to say, well, we could do all ramblers in here. The problem is with that bonus room, If I understood you right, when you go in for permit with that, it becomes a two-story. So I think the bonus room is important for storage, for other things that would make this community good. But again, the height is, yeah, this is the only thing that would even come close to what we would build. And I still don't even, that's out of date. I mean, that's dated homes and stuff. So other than that, I mean... I'm trying to do what I can do with these guys and try to make it a good deal. I kind of feel like a tiny person when I'm looking at that density and everything that we were just discussing. I think this is a great thing, and it is within that half mile of the track station. I can rebuttal if anything is said that's going to come up, but I'll let you get to the public comment, and then we can go from there, unless you have any questions for me right now. Thanks. I just wanted to, Mr. Dana, are you willing to add a few items into your development agreement? Mm-hmm. Okay. So the things that I would like to maybe see added are that we keep it at the 14 lots and that 15 is guaranteed as a park. Okay. I would like a guarantee from you that that bonus room will not be an ADU, that ADUs are not allowed in this development. Yeah, not a problem. And I would like to limit the total square footage of these homes to 3,000 square feet. So we're guaranteed this smaller product that we're looking for. Yeah, I think in talk, as long as we don't count the garage with it, you never count a garage with it, right? So livable space, I think that's totally fine. You know, the plan itself looks like even with that bonus room, like 2,400 or something, 20, well, maybe 26. I can't remember, but I'll look at it. But you're open to all of those? Mm-hmm, I'd be open to that. Thank you. There's nothing there that... Any other questions for the applicant? All right, thank you, Mr. Dana. This is a public hearing. Is there anyone from the public who would like to address the council on item 5C? I see movement. Come on up. My name is Kimberly Henry. I live at 770 East 121 South. Can we hear me? So 770 East 121 South. I'm one street over from the subdivision. First, I want to say thank you for the development as it stands. This is a huge improvement from where we started a year ago at this point. The concern that I still have is trying to understand where the sidewalk is and where the cars might come out. So when we say the driveway goes five feet into the easement, what does that actually mean? Because walking on the sidewalk, if there's a Ford F-250, which will likely move into this area, do I have to walk all the way out into the street to get back onto the sidewalk because of the easement and the way that the driveway sits? So if there's some clarity on that, that would be helpful. Definitely appreciate the work that Troy and his folks have done to get this far. And it's exciting to actually see a community, not just a building stuck in the middle of our neighborhood. So my biggest concern, like I said, is just that sidewalk along the way. So I walk it every single morning with my dogs and going into the street. And with the additional traffic, that's something that I'm a little bit concerned about. And with the park. Being on the corner, that would be awesome because if they added the 15th lot, there's a stop sign right there and everybody runs the stop sign and nobody stops. And with all the traffic coming through, that would just make it impossible for that lot to get out onto the street anyway. So thank you. Thank you. Anyone else like to address the council on item 5C? Come on up, sir. My name is Jerry Thomas. I live at 121.83 south, 800 east, which is directly east of this project. This is a much better thing than we saw the very first application. One suggestion I could make for one driveway is to make home 10 face north. I would like to see the park guaranteed, and that's about all. You know, we've come a long way with this, and it's going to be developed no matter what. So I don't like all those homes that close because I've lived here for 30 years, you know, and there's not any homes that. So that would be my only suggestion to maybe help things out. Thank you, sir. Anyone else? We're not timing you walking up, so you're good. Thank you. My name is Cindy Romero. Hold that mic right down to your mouth if you would. Thank you. My name is Cindy Romero. I live on 729 East, 12200 South. I have lived there for 35, 40 years. I have six small children under 10 living at my house. I'm concerned about the traffic too, but the traffic study I don't think was... It's going to bring a lot of traffic. But also, I'm against the zone change. With what's in front of us, he doesn't need a zone change on that. That just opens it up for additional things in the new zoning that we haven't addressed. As far as he has come a long way, he has. But I am still concerned. with I think the 12 lots was a lot better. And the easement bothers me into the five foot easement. But when the planning and zoning came up, they recommended the 12 lots just for it fit into the plan better and not all these adjustments. easements and everything like that. Thank you. Anyone else? Yeah, name is Jim Duncan and we own the property right back behind... Give us your address, please. 12138 South 800 East. So we're right on the other side of homes 56789. And I have talked with Troy about this a lot, and he knows our concerns. We are in favor of this as opposed to, say, 10 huge homes. He's promised to keep it in the 28-foot height range or less. I don't know, if you just go anywhere in our backyard and you put something up there 20 feet from our property line, 28 feet is pretty high already staring down at us. So we appreciate his willing to kind of keep the homes in that range. So the concerns that were brought up on size and height are just our concerns. But we are in favor of this and appreciate the city's help. And with Troy making some concessions for us, that's it. Thank you, sir. Anyone else? All right, seeing no further public comment, we'll close the public comment period. I'll bring this back to the council. Jen, can you show us on here or whomever where this homes 10 and 11 that have this driveway question, where would someone walk around a car in the driveway? How does this work in both forms? With this current plan, Are you talking about lot 10 and 11 here? That we've been back and forth on. Okay, so that, as it would be right now, this would be a 15-foot long driveway and five feet extending into the publicway here. Solid choice. Yeah, just meaning it would be a 20-foot driveway and then a five-foot sidewalk and then another 18 feet of driveway. So just... In my discussion with my architect, it's just that city easement right there is so big that we could move it however you want it to. Now, if you don't want us in the public right-of-way to have five feet of the driveway there, then okay, I get it, and the plan could work. It just would probably shrink, and we'd look for those variances on those backyards. If you look at the sidewalk over by Jim's place, there's a sidewalk there, Jim? There's not OK, so wherever that comes out is where you know to her comment that. You would want it to line up. So depending on where there's room to walk around the car, so the way I understand it to the way I'm looking at it, make sure I understand it right is you see that dotted line. That's in the grass area. That that's the 5 foot easement so. All of the 20 foot will be. west of the sidewalk? Yeah, that's correct. You'd still have a 20-foot driveway, so hopefully you wouldn't have to walk around it, and then the sidewalk would be there like every other subdivision that we have. So the question and the variance is, could we put part of the driveway in that city easement? And because the easement is so big there, and normally you would probably make a road that's 60 feet wide. Well, in this case... you know, engineering was like, hey, yeah, that's where the curb's going to go. That's how it's going to look. But we have this huge buffer there. So could we use part of it? Otherwise, those, yeah, those are 45-foot driveways on those two homes. So if I may clarify a couple of things. So 8th East, this part of 8th East is in the Draperville plot, which is, you know, the original plot for the city. Road widths in the Draperville plot were 82 feet wide. We don't need an 82 foot wide road here, but that is full the full right away that the city owns. So what this is showing is. Essentially the the roadway stain this improvement staying the same width, only getting that curb gutter Park Strip sidewalk. And then the the. Property line for that right away. is five feet to the west, falls five feet to the west of the sidewalk. So what's proposed is a 15 foot long driveway on the private property and then a five foot driveway on city property connecting to the sidewalk. One risk would be if the city determined in the future that they didn't need that right away and widened the road to the full width. I don't think we have any plans to do that, but that could be one risk is eventually ending up with 15 foot long driveways. But that's the configuration is when Troy is talking about, you know, you've got 20, 30 feet of right-of-way that's not road. That's why, because it's in the driveway plot and we have such a wide right-of-way width. We don't need to turn around a three-horse wagon team in the roadway. Is that what you're saying? So, granted that deviation, does that allow for the slightly larger backyard to match the other homes? Yes, it does. Okay. Can I clarify the other two? The other question that, and I appreciate the public comment from the residents around here. You made the comment that Home 10 faced that north. If you do that, then it only has one home facing 800 East, which one of our requests was to have homes facing 800 East, right? So then you'd only have the one lot. And I don't know how that would look. And I understand Jerry's concern, but I just, yeah, I think it kind of, yeah, it looks worse to have just one if that's, you know, where we keep. It fixes one issue and creates another one. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate the concessions or the things that Tasha said that you said that you'd agree with. Just going through those other, I definitely think that there's a need for something like this in Draper. But going through those other communities, I know when I drive through Rockwell, whichever, Rockwell Estates or whatever it's called, they have the 35-foot, and those are tall townhomes. I like what you show, and you say you're going way more for the other one, preserve. Yeah, just the Rambler look. For the Rambler look, yeah. But I think that is something I would like to see. insured in the agreement just so that we're not ending up with again we've we've got a lot of that in our city already this sort of tall squished together product and i'd like to see more of the rambler and and i'm fine with the bonus room option i guess i would assume that that would not be in everyone yeah it's probably not going to be in everyone but it does because you have a garage and then there's no other space for storage it's just a It's a good storage area. We just can't have it be an ADU. Not an ADU. I appreciate that. Yeah, I was never intent to sell these as an ADU. And these will be owner-occupied, right? They're for sale. It's a for-sale product, not for rent. I think that's also really important. Again, I said this to the previous applicant. I really want to see is creating communities and I think this product does that with your open space and I like your sidewalks that they all connect and so I appreciate that. I think this is filling a real gap we have in the Draper housing market. We just don't have a lot of 3,000 square foot homes, single family homes and we have new young families that are looking for this product. more affordable price range. And we have people like myself with teenagers that are gonna be out of the house soon that don't need a giant house anymore. So I think it's gonna bring something to Draper that we need. I think, sorry, one other thing. I think just because it is part of the station area plan, it does actually give us some variety. No more public comments. All right, this is ready for the council for action. Okay. I would like to move to approve 5C, public hearing ordinance 1709, ordinance 1710, ordinance 1711. With the understanding and placed into the development agreement that this will be a maximum of 14 lots, it will include a park, no ADUs will be allowed, and I would like to limit the total square footage of these homes to 3,000 square foot. Livable space? Livable space. So I have a motion by Tasha to approve it with those conditions that are second. I'll second. Second by Catherine. I would just like to add to my motion that this project has really gone through thorough vetting, and I appreciate the neighborhood coming forward over and over again, and the developer coming forward. Something is going on with my phone. But I think we've arrived at something that kind of meets in the middle. You know, I don't know that anyone came out a huge winner, but I think we found some compromise on this, and I appreciate that dialogue, and I respect that it happened in a healthy way, because I think that reflects who we are here in Draper, that we can talk about hard things, and we can face changes, and we can come to a good conclusion with those. Any further discussion? All right. Tasha, how do you vote? Yes. Brynn. Yes. Fred. Yes. Catherine. Yes. Items approved unanimously four to zero. That takes us to item number six, unless there are other items that anyone wants to bring up in council manager type. I have something. Jen, over here. I have something for you. Man, I got to get my hearing checked more. Sorry, I'll be quick. I think Bryn's a ventriloquist. She throws her voice over here. At the beginning of the year, I... At the beginning of the year, I had presented on an encroachment on Third East and Pioneer, kind of went over some possible options to bring the property owner into compliance. You guys had gone with the third option of allowing landscaping irrigation to remain subject to a maintenance liability agreement, but removing the wall that that they had installed to remind you what that wall looks like that's that's the wall the uh adjacent property owner who did the improvements is asking for reconsideration to keep the wall wanting to know if you're interested in that i do have a letter i can send to you guys that he submitted we are working through with the liability and maintenance agreement with him for the landscaping irrigation he has stated he's PERFECTLY FINE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY ON THAT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN A RECONSIDERATION OF THE WALL. WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO WITH THAT? JEN, CAN YOU REMIND US WHY YOU RECOMMENDED REMOVAL OF THE WALL? I THINK IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. with people placing temporary signs on it, things like that. It does create a buffer for all those utilities behind it, doesn't it? A little bit. I think Jen brings up an important issue. I think we need to have Kelly weigh in on this since she's filling in for Mike. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm wondering, is the sign, so the sign, I remember the discussion from before, but is that sign, that is on city property, right? The one that's in these pictures? Yes. And has that been removed? Yeah, it has. I think it does kind of set a precedent of allowing of construction on city property that we might not want set. Do you want the wall down? I think it probably should come down because then I think other people are going to feel like they can build walls. Wall down, maintenance and liability agreement still good? Looks like all of them. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Anything else from anybody else? If not, is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Motion by Tasha to adjourn. Second? Second. Second by Fred. All in favor say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? We are adjourned.