Welcome to tonight's August 26th study session. And we're going to be, I don't know, what do we want to call this? Budget overview? Budget policy discussion. Thank you, Mayor. So thank you, Council. This will be a kind of a wrap it up. And it's really dealing with the shade because that's the only development that's obviously that's occurred out there with any development on that lifetime fitness. I think you're all aware they're moving dirt out there. It's going quickly. They continue to tell us that. They are going to open by hopefully. That they're going to open by 2027. So I think that's good. And we are working on. I think I had emailed out to you guys. We have a we don't have a time yet, but we do have a day for that ribbon cut or groundbreaking season, which is when they're done moving the dirt and they want to move into the foundation. Let's see how you organized. These are timelines. It is timeline. So it's awkward because they run in multiple years, and so you kind of got to scroll and move. So I apologize for the complexity. We've been using the same software. I think this is, again, the third year. You guys have seen this. The only reason I ask is people who are watching are watching, and I know lots of people who watch after the fact. It's not my priority. You're not saying this is the most important. It's absolutely timeline. It's not there. Great. Thanks for the clarification. Havana realignment, again, this is basically information for the council. It is completely paid for by the developer. It's about a $22 million project. And the intent here, and for those who have seen dirt moving, On the north side of CPP, it is dirt moving to move that Havana realignment to the east. And so it is intended to move to the east and then be a four-way signalized intersection moving into the main spine road of the mixed-use commercial development that hopefully, and we'll get to it when we get into 2026. So, Michael, is that current or future? This is current. So it's going to move essentially to the right where that on the south side, That first run of approximately a year. Okay. Just to give you a rough idea. No change from the maps. Correct. No, no. They're just in process. So just under halfway. Yeah. And so we were... I missed something. Why is it moving there? I thought it was connecting to... Oh, OK. So there will. OK. All right. I think they're yet. Yeah. I was like, that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's the main road into the mixed use development. Oh, not the candidates. Yes. No, it's really. And that's why it's a developer funded. I mean, we benefit. And that's what I was about to say is we benefit because it really allows our east west signalization system to be to work much smoother. And especially when we get. to control to the extent we can control the CDOT signals, it will allow us to have the east-west flow much better than having a separate turn there at the current event. Okay, so I'm with you. Will you still be able to get to the canyons residential from that? Yes, you will. Okay, so it's not just... Yeah, we'll show you the proposed, not the proposed super plaque because I don't want to suppose what he's going to apply for, but we'll show you the current drawing here in a minute. That was an excellent negotiation on our council's and staff's part to make sure the developer took responsibility for that. We did that as a condition and meant to the annexation agreement for those who don't hear them. If you didn't hear the number, it was $22 million. So there is some investment going on over there. Pavement management program is underway as... You will recall from a recent study session, you will see an increase in those funds. Next year, I think we're moving it up to $4 million based upon our asset management program that staff has been working on. And we'll talk about that in October. in here, but this is just a shot. All of this information on the pavement management program and what we're doing is on the city's GIS website if you're not familiar with it. So if you get questions from residents or you're curious yourself, please get on there. And if you have any suggestions for improvements on what information we're providing, let us know. I have a question. We've been switching back and forth to the slides, but there are two slides for pavement management program. Should we understand that This line that you just said was for the first line. Oh, the other one's 2026. So we'll bring that up here. That way. So, okay. So this first one relates to the first payment management. Thank you. You bet. All right. Unified land development code. So I know that's been out there. I have it right. right now in 2025 through the end of the year. And I think even into 2026, it's purple because we're working on, we're continuing to work on it, working with the planning commission, our legal team. And I do have in 2026, a period of time where it's yellow, which is council approval. I don't really have anything else more to say on that. We'll move it forward. May I ask a quick question? Yes. When this process started, we were specifically asked to give a commitment to participate. And there was a good rationale for it. Some people griped and groaned, but we had a good reason for it. And all that dropped off. Correct. Why? I think what we determined was that... asking the council to do a lot of the work that we have since shifted to the Planning Commission in terms of the detail around redefining definitions, the overall structure of the code and that kind of thing. It's been very efficient through the Planning Commission working on it. And then they will come along with staff and present to you. So we've broken it and we've really broken it into three sections. There's some administrative changes that we can improvements that we can make kind of in the process of procedures. And obviously, council will see and approve all of this. Then there's some components, the vast majority of which we've now tasked the Planning Commission as the workhorse slash workforce to make that happen. And then there's going to be a couple sections related to site improvement criteria, sign code is some examples that we really will run it through the planning commission, of course, because it's required, but really will be before you, but we're just not there to that process. So there will be some pretty, there'll be some heavy lifts coming, but a lot of it's sitting with the planning commission right now. Thanks. I think we'd probably want to weigh in on the chunks that were given to digest so that we can have space to think about in between. But that's a question for another day. Just want to placeholder that for you, please. And we have a pretty long approval time frame process for council approving it because of the digestion and being able to do Q&A and respond and multiple study sessions and those kind of things in there. Thank you. You bet. The next one is finishing off 2025. For council, if you'll recall, we've kicked the update of the city's economic development plan and council member Hudson, this gets hopefully a little bit to your question. It was originally proposed in 2024. At the time, community development director, Sam Bishop and I had recommended to council that we move it to 25, that was approved. Then when we were developing the 2025 work plan, I had originally, I think I had it at first quarter and then moved it to fourth quarter, which council ultimately supported. So we are in that process right now. And part of the answer to council members Hudson question is I don't want to presuppose what that economic development plan is going to say and we have some education coming later this year for the council through discussions with community or commercial developers and so there's a educational phase and the output of the economic development plan i think can have great influence on any policy direction that the council wants to provide. And then we can make an appropriate determination of, is that a staffing issue? Is it a consultant issue? Is it, what is it? But rather than, and obviously it's a council decision at the end of the day, but given that we're working on it, I don't have a completion time for it. I'm estimating the first quarter, I think of 2020, what did we put in here? First, yeah, first quarter, 2026. that that should be done. I hope to bring the contract to the council in the first meeting in October, and then that economic development consultant will get started, and I'll talk further another time about the detail of what we're doing there. So ultimately, just to be very clear about this, we're going to go through the, your plan is to go through the process of the economic development plan, and then coming out of that the city council will decide what do we want to do with implementation and if that included hiring somebody or something else. Correct. Because it's going to have, you know, it's going to have the, to just be simple on it, it's going to have the SWOT analysis. There'll be focus groups, conversation interviews with the council, interviews with the business community, all of that, looking at our ownership makeup, where we are in the development, where our, where our, loss leaders are, where the leakage is, all of the kind of standard stuff that you think around for economic development. And then part of the requirement in the end work product is what are the recommendations to the city council in terms of economic development actions that the council could slash should consider. So I really appreciate that you've finally taken the advice to hire somebody for that and to get that in. But I want to be on that. That's what I was saying. Well, I'm sorry. My assumption then came about how is how it came about. So it's been on the plan for two years now to do this on the second comment. So thank you for correcting me. My second comment is I have never been in favor of kicking this can down the road this far. So I just want to be on the record for that. I know you mentioned a few times at council, whatever, but never. been in favor of kicking the can. And I do thank you. Good. Thank you. I do thank you for finally doing it because I think it's long past due and there is a thanks. And I'd like to know who is the staff member that's driving the train on as a liaison. And do we have a council member who's going to be a liaison as well? So I'm the lead on this and the mayor and council member Salazar will be on the interviews. And then all of council will be interviewed by the ultimate, the consultant that the council approves through the contract. Is there an opportunity for council to determine if they want a liaison to the process? I think that part of the process is going to be driven by the interviews by the council members in terms of community outreach, business. So there's no predetermination of it. The first part is going to be reviewing our plans and doing those initial interviews with the council. And then they'll propose the actual process. Does that answer your question? So I think I think council should retain the ability if they want to have somebody like we have liaisons to different things to have a permanent liaison to this process. So I think it might might be something to think about. Thanks. I'm going to second that. I'm really unhappy with the delay in this. The lack of urgency is a real problem for me. This is the number one issue I hear every single day is why are we seeing no movement in the development of our city? It's truly the one thing I hear more than anything else. And that you seem to have no urgency in this matter really bothers me. It's bothered me for two years. I mean, I was the lone vote against the budget because we hired a park ranger instead of somebody who's going to help us develop our city. And then we're doing interviews separately from us. It doesn't make any sense to me. I'm really unhappy with this plan. I mean, I'm extremely unhappy with it. So you put me on the record with that. But that's, I'm really happy with it. I have a question to develop. Without new construction of retail, what are we developing? Well, we certainly could be talking about the Safeway. We could certainly be talking about how we could actually develop the plans of doing something actually with that. Yes. We could be talking about that. But it's private property. It is private property. And there was a plan to actually develop that. And it was really close. There were drawings. You know, we could have, if we'd offered the incentives, It was pretty easy for someone at this table to offer $171,000 to a business that's already here. We certainly didn't offer any incentives to move that Safeway. I hear about it all the time. If I may, to your points, when I speak with peers from other Denver Metro municipalities, their economic development professionals work on both the existing and the non-existing, and there is an entire plan for how the economic development professional reaches out to the business community to share advantages of your community over others. And then, in addition, council members or the mayor would go and visit, like Mayor Harmon did, to a particular private business to discuss with them some details or concepts, as the case may be. for why something might fit in an existing location. And actually, closest to us would be how Lone Tree managed its vacancies was through a process like this. So it's not just new. It's definitely both. So that's my take on it. I understand, but I don't think it's fair to compare our retail to Lone Tree. They're like 100 times what we have. I mean, what is our occupancy? We have two open stores right now. I mean... Not just about that. It's about redevelopment of what we have. I mean, no, of course we don't own the property. That's not the point. The point is, no, but trust me, I understand that. It's probably rights Trump. I get that. But if there's a deal to be had and we make it sweet enough between developer and a buyer, and we can do that, that's what cities do. They bring in new development and they're able to make it work for everybody where everybody's happy. I mean, that's what a city does. And we don't have anybody who can do that. We have no one who's been available to do that. Orport goes and cuts new deals. We don't even have a URA that meets. Our next Tuesday meeting has now been canceled. We've had two meetings. One was to elect Tracy's chair and two to adopt our bylaws. We don't even have a URA that functions. Who's driving this bus? The peers I spoke with were from all different sizes. That was just one small example to address the private property concept. But I've spoken with peers from similarly sized and made up communities, including from the Northwest. So, you know, Lee, Morrison, Louisville, those kinds of sized communities. So different sizes. And that was part of a lot of it was just chatter before and after meetings. But over time, you learn it. So that's. That's my perspective. It does come from both sizes. All right. Well, so I know here we're all standing on the record. I'm on the record saying that I'm all for economic development and we have some place for people to actually go. So I think just bringing it back to tonight's conversation, this is where it was on the work plan. We can have another in-depth discussion about the details on here, but I do think that's part of why having – commercial developers come in here next month and talk to the council and educate them. These are people who work in Douglas County, work from the front range, make their living off of this, and are experts in the commercial development field to come in. And it's a component of educating the council, and it's intentional to have it before the interviews with the council members so that you have that information when you have the interview with the council. economic development plan consultant. So that's what we have for now. Shea Residential Development, they are going to continue to plot their final, I think they only have about 150 lots left that have not been plotted. Other than that, they're just moving through As I said earlier, they have slowed down substantially on their building permits. This is not just here. It's Lone Tree. It's Castle Rock. I think it was August. Castle Rock had nine new single family building permits, which for Castle Rock is essentially a stop. So it's a little hard to tell in this picture, but it's really the northern area. That's Caspines Parkway up in the left where it's making that loop and Canyonside Boulevard. But it's really that northern area. And as council has seen recently, there's a couple of infills in here. But you are going to continue to see a couple of those final components from Shea continue into 2026. They may be able to get all their final plots done in 2026. And then they're just going to move forward with. the home constructions into the future. It may move into 2027, but right now we anticipate that they'll finish those flats in 26, which started in 2018, I believe. Michael, I apologize. I have to go back for a minute. I just made a statement about economic development. I'm not frustrated with that. I'm frustrated, like everyone else, the fact that we have no place to put people in. I just want to clarify that. Okay. I'm all for it once we have those, but I'm frustrated that we don't have any place for retailers, restaurants to go. I know all of us are. And, Chris, I apologize for being so emotional about it, but I've literally had two conversations in the last two weeks from developers I can't talk about with you here that do want to put stuff in, and they have met with both Tracy and Michael recently. And so there are places that we have here that are workable and doable. I'm happy to talk to you offline about what – I was told and what they would like to do. It's pretty amazing, but we have been an impediment to their activities. And if we had someone that would work with them, we could make it happen. And it would make, it'd be wonderful. It would change the face of our city. But we don't have somebody that's out there negotiating these deals. And we have people who think that they can't and they're not able to. That's just reality. I'd be more than happy to go into detail with it. All right. We're going to work with Mile High Flood. They're going to come in and do a citywide stream flood assessment for us and look at all of our stream on the primarily on the west side, but also on the east side. We've got a great partnership in Mile High Flood. And so this is a service. There's no cost to us. It's just a little bit of our staff time. And they're going to come in and work with us. And this will be part of our stormwater management plan. So just a. Heads up that that's going to occur next year. The trail and wayfinding signage installation, so that did not occur, will not occur from what it looks like in 2026. The Works Board is still working on the naming convention. I think they're moving forward, but they've gotten a little sidetracked with some of the... some of the Coyote Ridge One projects, which I'll talk about in a minute. There already is a council-adopted wayfinding signage program, and so we just need to know what the language is, what are we naming the signs. That, of course, will come to the council as a recommendation from the Parks Board once they get through that process. Two questions, and one of these is for the Parks Board, for our liaison. I wonder if we're thinking about, and you probably are, the different ways things are named in town with the HOAs and whatnot. And also with respect to east and west, because when you get to certain places, east seems west and west seems east. So thank you. Before you go on, may I ask you a question? What do you mean? I was about to come out negative. When you say the HOA naming, can you explain? I don't know what you mean. So in... In this side of Castle Pines, when you ask somebody where you live, even now, I met somebody new from one of the canyons neighborhoods. People think of where they live as the HOA. So, like, I'm in Timberland right now. I'm in Rim Ridge or whatever. As for the canyons here, I'm in Greenbrier, you know, I'm in Serena or whatever. So certain ones have a stronger identity. And so I just wanted to ask, and I thought that you were thinking about those things. I just didn't know what you meant. Yeah, yeah, sure. My other question has to do with the design there. So we approved that when we had a different council make-up. And I'd like to make sure that, you know, the current council, when this comes back, has an opportunity to look at the design and ensure that the design and costs for them can be revisited if they choose to do that. Because... It was put for us as a general design, and the statement's always made, well, when it comes back for you, you can look at it again. I want to make sure that that definitely happens since it's so much different council makeup. And, you know, it surely may be again in the future. Good. Thanks. All right. One of the things that the council has discussed in the past, and I am... bringing back for council at least some discussion tonight. We don't have all the information. We ultimately would have a study session with council on it. I think everyone's familiar with the link on demand. The Douglas County commissioners recently shifted that into Highlands Ranch. And there is some encouragement by the commissioners and interest in seeing specifically Castle Pines and Parker joined that program. So we are in the process of getting updated information from VIA, who is the service provider, on what it would cost for Castle Pines. We got some preliminary information, but not enough to present to council yet. So we hope to get that in the next week or two, and then we'll schedule a study session for council consideration. But it's roughly, grants and opportunities aside, it's roughly $800,000 a year for seven day a week service. And I think about six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for a five day a week service. And then there's a one time startup fee of sixty five or seventy five thousand dollars or something like that. We will, as I said, present that to council. But I know there was a previous discussion. Majority of council at that time did not support it. But I wanted to bring it back for additional council conversation. If there's a majority that really wants to see it happen tonight, we'll continue. And I guess if there's not a majority that wants to have the conversation, then we will. I'm kind of confused with this. I had a cursory conversation with this with all three commissioners. And I... thought they told me they were fully funding this. No, that is not what we have been communicated, that they would pay the startup, like maybe that $65,000 fee, but not covering the 800,000 service delivery. They're asking us to fund that. There are grant opportunities, but again, the 800,000. May I supplement the report? I'm chair of the sub-regional for Dr. Coggin on this, and it was very specifically discussed. And then subsequent to that meeting, I was approached by several Castle Rock staff members and several Douglas County staff members. And so the individual who does the grant writing for the county with Mr. DeBoer, the county manager there, specifically said that we will do the grants for you. We will help you with that. And so I did give him Charlie's contact information because I know she's the person that is primarily working on that sort of thing. The other thing I want to report is that in that public meeting, there was the mention of funds being available to cover some of these costs. And so the way it was characterized in that meeting and subsequently was. roughly 20 to 25 percent would be on the municipality and that there's something called a uca which is an urbanized zone that can be potentially used for this and castle pines is in that vicinity the city didn't do anything with that yet our city didn't um but with what i was um discussing and told was that that is a real opportunity So it would handle and address the concerns about initial startup costs, ongoing costs, and need. The other thing that I would like to supplement with that's not here is that when the pilot program went into Highlands Ranch, there was the assumption that it would take time to see what the usage would be. And I bring it up because one of the concerns in this group was the usage wouldn't be that great. Well, we got a bubble diagram, which I'll share with you all after the fact, if you want, that show that over the two-month period, the usage there was as great as it was in Lone Tree, not just from town center, not just from shopping centers, but from all different places in Highlands Ranch that you would never have expected. And so it would be not a shuttle. that would drop you off and put you down at a designated place, but more like a Uber style where you're picked up and we have all of the data that we received in the sub-regional that supports this community using it a lot more than anybody anticipated in a lot more areas. And to me that reflected since there were parts of Highlands Ranch that are similar to us, It's worthy of consideration before we make this decision, please, Mr. Penny, that this council sees that information and understands what the grant writer has basically said, we will do it for you. That's a big ask when Charlie's busy. And secondly, that the UZA funding can cover so much more that we're only looking at potentially 20%. of capital outlay plus O&M. So I hope that addresses it. It's a much bigger discussion on the county level. And what I just discussed with you is not Parker. Parker's not in the UZA. So their cost is going to be greater than our cost would be. So two comments, if I understand correctly. One is when you mentioned that As a council, collectively, we didn't necessarily want to move forward when we had that last mobility discussion a couple of years ago. That was a shuttle service, not an Uber style. No, that included the same. It was the same company. Do you remember what the cost was when we talked about it a couple of years ago? I know we could go back. It'd be probably relatively close to what. That's what I'm wondering. I'm wondering if we said no, because it was like 3 million before now it's 800 grand. I was wondering if it would. No, I think, and others should speak up because I don't want to speak for the council, but I think it was a question of, is it a want or a need? As I recall, and the other component was the grants aren't guaranteed ongoing. And so do you create an expectation that then when the grant dollars dry up and go away, now it's coming out of the general fund. And what is the implication of that? But I do, as Council Member Mulby has indicated, I do think it is worthy for the council to have a consideration of that if there's, again, if there's a majority interest. Okay, my last thing for this. Yes, it does. So I have a lot of things going on in my mind, so I forget things. When we've done our surveys in the past, have we ever specifically asked or received feedback from the community saying that we want this? No. We asked. Not specifically. We did a... Yeah, we did. We did a transportation study as a precursor to the previous council consideration. We have not done anything since then. And we could we could send that survey back out to the council. That would be it's about two years old. What did we ask? You remember? I know I don't. You're sorry. I would ask that I could just real quick on that. My memory of it is, would you be interested in it type of questions? Not do you need it? that I do remember that difference. I don't remember. Well, I would ask before we do that, I would ask Mr. Penny to, if you could resend that to us to reacquaint all of us, because I don't think any of us remember specifically what that was. It would be helpful. Yeah. Well, we will. I mean, it sounds like there's, I don't want to presuppose other comments, but it sounds like there's enough interest that we should schedule a study session for this. Mr. I'm interested. Okay. This, excuse me, this, It's not the same outfit that briefed us three or four months ago where the drop-off point was going to be over on Havana. No, this is not. That was a thought of a fixed term. Okay. Essentially an I-25 route. Okay. Great. Do you want me to bring up that bubble diagram or just send it together? Yeah, we'll schedule a whole study session for this. So what we'll send out is... Okay. Yep. That'd be great. Thank you, Councilman. We'll send the bubble diagram that Council Member Mulvey will send the previous study and the updated via proposal presentation. And then we'll find a time to have a study session on that. There's data that goes with it that I think Grant Clark might have. So if you're in contact with him, I don't need to do that. Events has been on here primarily. It's just we've continued to put it on here as a... FYI, I guess more than anything else, there's nothing specific to discuss on this one. Excuse me. Yes. We consider using something other than the turf field for party in the park going forward. Has that ever been a consideration? Not not because of the size. No. I mean, ultimately, if we get. some kind of flat area and surface over at the Soaring Hawk that people could use. That certainly would be an area. Coyote Ridge, I don't think, is nearly big enough to handle that number of people that are coming there. But we can look at it for sure. I would have thought Coyote Ridge was bigger. Yeah, I think it's the parking more than accessibility. So going a little bit to Councilmember Hudson's earlier question and discussion around the URA. So we have attempted to work with the three property owners in this area for a URA project. The URA has no money yet in it. Any projects that we would have would be a loan from the city's general fund with the city council approving it and then putting your URA hat on it. Today, the only, and this isn't going to be new information for the council, the only even somewhat interested party is really the Duke Stepino's owner. And they have pressed pause on any interest in doing a project right now, really for two reasons. One, they have been out buying additional strip malls. They're an investment company, so that's what they do. So they've been putting their money in there. And the other thing they've been doing is trying to really reduce the CAM rates for their existing tenants. And if you recall, we are working with them and the assessor's office because they are being charged for our space. as taxable space or a portion of our space. And so that's moving forward. And I'm confident we'll get resolution on that before their next tax bill goes out. So that'll help a little bit. But they have very intentionally been trying not to put more money in it, which then raises the CAM rates because they're trying to help businesses, the tenants that they have right now. But as council will recall, I think we've been talking about this since Sam Bishop still worked here. The Village Square commercial HOA did approve transferring the three streets, the two on either side of us and the one right in front of the library, to the city. Because this conversation hasn't been before council in a while, we're going to come back and have Village Square, Terrace Lane, and then Square. We do have a survey on that, so we're gonna be coming back to council to see if there's interest in the city actually accepting that. And then for those of you who have been on council for a while, one of the thoughts that we had had was to use the URA to fund this project to demonstrate to the property owners the value of having their tax dollars be reinvested in this area, thereby in theory raising their their overall property value. Yeah. I want to share something with council that came up at a recent meeting of mine. And it had to do with the EPPs and TIFs like the URA. The question that came up was, should we start using the anticipated tax money without a full cost estimate and without knowing in the future what that growth, of the tax money might be to pay off that loan. And it really made me think a lot. So I kind of want to throw it out there as something to throw around in our head. And when it does come back, perhaps address those projections. So we have those projections, and that was part of the adoption of the council for the URA. It's probably time to update those, but that was part of it. I don't remember the numbers off the top of our head. Part of the reason to council member, I know he's not in our room right now, Hudson's frustration is we have no projects. The anticipated revenue for the URA in 2025 is $10,000. And so there's really no reason to bring groups together to do that. We do, if should council want to accept these and use the URA as a funding mechanism, then we will certainly bring that together. And the hope is that eventually there will be some interest in the URA, but I did just talk to the owner of the Dukes and Pinos property, which is our building, and there is no interest right now in doing a project. They're very aware of it. They're supportive of it. All three property owners supported it when the council created the URA. There just isn't interest. You've got to remember these are investment companies. And as Council Member Eubanks pointed out, they're basically at full capacity right now. I know I keep telling you the lease on Safeway is going to be signed. I was told again today it should be signed by the end of the week. That is a 10-year lease with a 10-year extension. And so the part of why we're not going to see redevelopment of the Safeway property anytime in the near future, but we can talk about that at an economic development discussion. All right, excuse me. The Gateway Legay Roundabout, that is going to come back to Council, I believe, on September 9th. There's two outstanding questions. One is, well, there's one outstanding question. Did you like option one for the monument, or did you like option two? If you remember, I know it was several months ago. And then we will be asking you, regardless of which, this is option one, not asking you to decide tonight, just giving you an example. We are going to be asking for a... contract approval with DTJ to do the final engineering and design. It will be specifically only for the interior of the roundabout, not the rest of the landscaping in there. And that's really for two reasons. One is east of here, we really don't know what the implications of the construction impacts of the Happy Canyon Interchange are. And of course, we don't want to put something in and then have a giant truck drive over it. And we're still working on, we think we can get water sufficient water to provide the landscaping inside, but ultimately it will require a water line extension to provide the full landscaping in there. And so in our capital plan, we have the remaining landscaping being installed in 2028 after the Happy Canyon Interchange is done. And hopefully that ties in with the Vickers town center property development because they would then be putting in the infrastructure, the additional two lanes, and the roundabout slash signal that we spoke of earlier. When you mentioned irrigation in the center, I'm hoping you're saying it will be under the road. Yes. And the roundabout dug up. No. We put conduit in for electric and water. Correct. Yep. We plan for it. We just don't. It stops at Chase right now. but we think we have a solution for getting a sufficient water line, a irrigation line, I guess I would say, down there for that piece of it. So that's coming before council. So this is everything in red because it's a budgetary thing for 2026. It will require council approval. This is for the construction of it. So Eastside Commercial, I want to talk a little bit about this because I think it gets a little bit to the... Certainly the frustration, if I may, that Councilmember Blue has had for a while and some of the discussion around the economic development. So, Councilmember Eubanks, to go to your question, the South Havana Street, that's what's going to correlate directly north of there. The picture doesn't show, but that's where the realigned Havana would come back in. And then you can see Canyonside Boulevard over to the right. And then there'll be two roads over to Canyonside Boulevard, Canyon Forge, and then Sweet Creek Lane. One of the challenges, if you drive over there, this becomes a significant hillside as you come down here. And so a lot of what this is anticipated to be residential in this area. So the North Canyons LLC are working right now. to ensure that they see this as really two developments in here. And so they're really looking at the amount of dirt that they have to move and laying it out because there are significant retaining walls that would need to be built. And a major component of the development costs is dirt moving and the retaining walls. And I know the mayor and council member Mulvey have been over this lots to make sure that there is good pedestrian access and open space to get you from those residential areas up to the actual commercial part of the mixed-use commercial. So they're working on that right now, but we do anticipate that in early 2026, they're going to be ready to identify a superplot, which will show where that Sweet Creek Lane is and that Canyon Forge, because those potentially move north or south, depending upon where that dirt has to move and how those developments lay out. Can you address the concept that you introduced to me a few weeks ago about the combination of the community development overlay zone with this? Community development zone? Yes. Can you address that? I'm not sure what I said to you. You said there was an idea of developing that land, which is also known as the farm. What a great idea you thought it might be if it was combined with development of this or PA one. Well, I think so. Yeah. So the so folks are familiar north of here. Do we have the full we don't have the full map. So north of here is PA one, PA two, PA three is all the residential council is seeing the applications for. They continue to come in. Residential is where the Lifetime Fitness is, it's a PA3. And then south of this, directly south of this property, there's a tributary. But south of that is about 200 acres, roughly according to the developer, landowner, there's about 100 acres of developable land. He has been, North Canyon's LLC is interested in looking at an overall kind of master concept development on how you... would tie in the CBZ with the PA2 and the PA1. And to that extent, he is looking at contracting with a company called DPZDTZ to design an overall concept plan, and then is also working with specific commercial brokers in different industries to combine My terminology not there is the pretty picture with the reality of what the market actually can bear. And so that's going to be occurring late 2026, I'm sorry, late 2025 into 2026. And of course, just as a reminder, the CVZ zone, there is no density limitation on there as long as it can be parked. The caveat, of course, is that the city council gets to approve that the use has a community benefit, hence the name community benefits home. And so I think there, from the developer's standpoint, from the owner's standpoint, there's a lot of value in really understanding how all of that can play in person together. I think you described it as going from Soaring Hawk, Happy Canyon, all the way up to Hess Road along I-25, and you called it a paradigm shift for commercial development. Yep. So, yeah, so happy to see you just Castle Pines Parkway against I-25, at the end of the description. Yeah, I think that's something we should really throw around as a thought process among council members because it's a big change. So I don't think from the owner's standpoint it's a big change. I think it's, for those of you, many of you have talked to the owner, there's probably at least 14 iterations of design concepts that are up on those office walls in there. Yeah, at least. And so part of the reason for putting this up and identifying as first quarter 26 is that we do hope to see, because this is the first step in mixed-use development and getting to, and not to bring back an economic development discussion or debate, but it's much easier to start to work with a developer and potential developers and the landowner once we have some platting in there, because it's still going to take several years to put in the infrastructure. But this is the start. And unfortunately, Council Member Blue walked out. But this is hopefully something that, for him and others on the council, starts to demonstrate a movement on behalf of the mixed-use commercial, which is what we've all been waiting for since, certainly since, I think, 2018. Not all of us. Not all of us. No. At some point, it might be helpful in your one-on-ones to share with the rest of council your personal views about it, too, that you shared with me. I think everybody would be enlightened. Okay. Yep. I can do that when we have a study session on it as well. So the next one, the Unified Land Development Code, you see we've got it spread throughout 2026. And that is, again, just primarily a placeholder. It goes to Council Member Malden's question around. um how we're going to bring that forward because we don't really have a vision of exactly how that is going to be brought forward so we just want to acknowledge that that is a council decision process and it will be occurring in 2026. county ridge phase one construction so we are council approved the final design and engineering with hcm and so that process is going forward we anticipate in Sorry, in 2026, going to bid and bring that construction contract to council. Just as a reminder, some of the projects that are in there, it was an increase in the vault toilets, a replacement of the existing vault toilet, ADA compliance, bringing in ADA accessibility in the trails. There was a fence proposed. behind the basketball court so that the balls don't go down into the ravine. Those, probably the big, oh, in the ball field, the little league field, baseball field being expanded to not be cut off in the upper left outfield in there. So that is going to come before the city council. It is going through some final... Q&A with the Parks Board right now and final engineering design. Then we'll go to bid. And, of course, that contract, as I stated, will come before council. In anticipation of that, if I could communicate some resident comments that might be apropos to the timing to our liaison, Corey, the question came up whether there's a plan to connect the new circle with Serena. As an additional access, the residents in the area were not in favor. And that was the point of the question that they gave me. They'd rather continue the access from Hidden Point up to Serena. The second question was, there's still a concern about security and. drug transactions, not where they used to be, but there's still some going on, and whether or not security, any security measures would be implemented or appropriate. And then the last question was about time frame when people are allowed to use the pickleball courts because they park their cars and shine their light on the court and keep playing after dark. You know, the noise from Pickleball isn't as much as everybody was concerned about. And I think the design of the covering around the fence, the lighting is one concern. And then the after dark part is another concern. And then lastly, I got an email and a call this past weekend today about the ball field. So in general, And I just want to pass along that they're grateful for the planned changes to the ball field in Coyote Ridge Park and hoping for some more at the other parks. And I think what I might ask is when we get to the other park improvements, I think I'm going to ask to meet with Ms. Salazar separately. There are quite a few concerns about a few things, including conditions that caused an elderly woman to break her ankle. and um in retreat park but the other concern i'll bring up um regarding elkridge park at the appropriate time if i may so um i think it'd be great and i'd include uh marcus as our parks and rec director so you can hear that directly because a lot of that could be operational in there So we did break out on the next two, the missing trail connection and improvements, which also includes the trail signage and then the existing park upgrades. Based upon council's discussion last year, we broke them out on the timeline. But if council recalls, we had originally had four breakout line items in the budget, and the council ultimately said we just want a single dollar amount at the $5 million or whatever the number was. what council will see is just a single line item in there. And then we'll identify through the parks board discussion about kind of what those major areas are. And what I think council can expect is the trail signage, the trails connection, missing connections, potentially the, not potentially, other park improvements in there. And then I guess it's actually five things, not four things, I apologize. any potential future phase components for Coyote Ridge because the improvements that we're making right now are on the current Coyote Ridge part, but council's aware that the design actually moves into the additional 10 acres that we bought from the school district. And so that also has phases. So the parks board will be discussing what do they want to do within the limited budget. And then Part of the contract with HCM was to design a timeline and implementation phase for the first 25 acres of Soaring Hawk Park, because that is obviously an issue for council discussion. And so there will be primarily two line items for 2026. that will pull down that fund balance. And we'll talk about that later in October around what those future park improvements and park O&M costs look like. That's my remix. Thank you, Mr. Panning. Have we completely abandoned all notions of a skate park? Through that public process that we did, there was no skate park that rose to the, I don't remember where it was in the priorities, but I remember it was fairly low in there. I can get you that copy of that. Well, no, I mean, that would make sense since adults are filling it out. But if you surveyed a bunch of kids. It was done at the party in the park. We had several events over there and the kids were there putting their stickers on. It was a very comprehensive public process over. I think it was just over a year. And I quite honestly, I think from the transition of the Metro District, having some. pretty contentious conversations where there were a lot of students who were people who were advocating for that skate park. When we did it, it's the city on a citywide basis. There was not that level of interest. And I couldn't speak to more detail just on a memory basis right now. Not 5,000, but I did have one person ask me. Okay. Fair to ask. The, the, the, sorry, road solutions plan. I got to switch. switch brains here. Next year, we're proposing really only one project westbound at Caspines Parkway from Monarch to Forest. This is another partnership on the waterline with the Caspines North Metro District. One of the reasons for that is that the other phase that we would be looking at, I apologize, I'm going to contradicts myself here in a minute. The next proposed phase was Monarch southbound from CPP. And when you, we just felt like first, there's not a critical need of that road right now. And we really want to break Monarch south shore ham to CPP into two years. And thinking about the cone zone fatigue and the frustration that people are having, let's give them a year off. The two things, and I just said there was one, but we're, and Council Member Blue, this is of, I think, particular interest of you. We, item J right there, and I know you can't actually read it, but J is West CPP from Forest Park moving up. That concrete is actually in really good shape. It just needs to be ground down, similar to what we did on North Monarch, I think two years ago now. What family? Both lanes. We would grind both from the roundabout. at Buffalo to Forest Park. Yeah, that really just needs to be ground. The other component that I've specifically had conversations with Council Member Blue about is that is a lot, and everybody's aware of this, that is a lot of white concrete out there. And it's called, it's part of Castle Fines Parkway, and the east side of Castle Fines Parkway is beautified. We've got a median in the middle. And so thinking about... doing the physical road improvements in 2026. It's a relatively, it's a couple hundred thousand dollars. It's not a significant amount of money relative to other projects that we've done. And then looking really in 2029 to do a median in there. And that'll be a conversation when we get further into the budget process. But so really from a capital road standpoint, it would just be the CPP West and then the grinding further on CPP and give everybody a break. Because we do anticipate starting, and you'll see that in a moment, late 2026, the Abbey Canyon interchange. And so that's a substantial outlay of funds and staff time. I'm sorry. So when the scraping is done on CPP from Forest Park to the roundabout, Will there – will it be still two lanes of traffic? Yeah, we wouldn't change. We would – We're not closing Castle Pines Park. We're not doing anything. We just – if you recall, we come in with a grinder and we – Yeah. No, I'm familiar. I just – I'm just – Because one thing I have heard about – I think I shared this with you. I did hear – I was talking to a resident last week, and I did hear in your field about cone fatigue and – Some pretty expletives. I just want to be very clear. Are there going to be any detours in the summer of 26? Yes. CBP from Monarch westbound to Forest Park. It'll be the same thing we did this year on that length of road, just the other side of the road. And longer because we have a water line replacement. Okay. But only during the summertime. No, outside of August. No, I hear you. We're at the end of August next year, and I'm going to play what you said, only in summertime. It's been very vocal in the Serena neighborhood last weekend. That's part of not trying to push the monarch south, because there are a lot of people there. There's two real reasons to not do the Monarch South. One is, as what I just spoke to, the other is at some point late in 2026, if all goes well, we're going to be shutting down the Happy Canyon Interchange, which is going to force everybody up on the Castle Pines Parkway. And if we are in the middle of doing any kind of construction on Monarch Southbound at that same time, and we're pushing all the cars that used to go to Happy Canyon on the CPP Interchange, I mean, you're going to get... much more, many more expletives. So I think we're there. Council Member Henson. Yeah, and I appreciate what you're probably hearing because you all really dig the life tutorials. It was really kind of crazy, but you all were doing work. I love the idea of having a respite from construction, except I remember when we came back from, what was it, 22, the construction we were doing, and then in 23, the prices exploded. So... I like that you're thinking about the residents that they would get a rest, but I also don't want to pay twice the cost for doing the work that we would save millions of dollars for by actually doing the work that needs to be done. So I'd like to maybe revisit that and find out what that's going to cost us to put it off a year. That's a great question. And I think we can do that, especially because we are going to be going – So obviously we've got current bids right now. Yeah, I won't belabor it, but yes, I think that's it. Yep, yep. I have a question, but I also want to mention that the CMGC process would inform that. Because on E470, the CMGC includes all of that. So it might be a source without having to do additional work. My comment about the construction on Westbound. is could we please give a little extra consideration for emergency access for the Bristlecone neighborhood? They're all patio homes and many older folks who live in patio homes because of mobility issues and they need even greater need of more frequent emergency access. Great, thank you. Thanks. The good news is from, can you go back to that real quick? Sorry. We really will finish the road solutions plan and the Happy Canyon Interchange by the end of 2028. That is a significant improvement from when we started the road solution plan in 2019 or 2020. I think our original estimate was based on, now obviously revenues change, but I think it was estimated to be a 13-year increase construction timeframe based on those revenues. And obviously revenues have come up. I think we've been, we've got great bids. We get a lot more bids than we've had in the future or in the past, which drives down the prices. So there's reasons for that. But really between South Monarch from CPP down to Shoreham. And then E up in the upper right-hand corner is just the final little stretch of Castle Pines Parkway here, which primarily, again, is going to, for the most part, be grinding. There will be some panel replacements, but for the most part, it'll be a lot of grinding. And then, so no straight, there won't be any significant detours, Council Member Eubanks. It'll be one lane down, which obviously creates some backup, but it'll be moments in time, not long-term. And then those are the two areas you know, aside from the next years. Then we're done with, through that 2028, with the major capital improvement that a majority of these council members seated around this table have been supporting and making a policy priority over the year. So that's something to success that we can celebrate here. And next year will be a slight respite. So when Monarch opens this year, Can we have a party or something? Because it's a huge accomplishment, huge milestone that Monarch will finally be, I'm half joking about the party, but we should celebrate that, I think, as a city. Maybe we should close off Monarch. All right. That's a good point because that's something that, that Tara Radloff as mayor put into motion. And if it weren't for her putting that into motion, we wouldn't be here today. So we actually owe a steady gratitude to her. Credit where credit's due. Okay. So I ran over wildfire mitigation too quick. So we did have our review from the state today on our grant and we were fully approved for reimbursement and blessed to move forward. We are going to do hand work and goats next year, so you will see it in the budget, but it's going to be relatively minor work. We're looking to propose to council when we get to, again, to the policy questions of expanding the grants to include potentially noxious weeds, We've got ash borer and other things that people want to mitigate on their property and on common area space between HOAs and different things. So council will see that as a policy question in October. A relatively small dollar speaking, but I think it's been a great success as council probably hears from folks both on private property owners and public or common areas within the HOAs. So I apologize for... I have one. Are we including places where the grasses grow extensively in months? You know, so we just had a ton of rain, but the grass is like six feet high in some places. Because we've had complaints about that along Elk Ridge Park and that it's very prevalent in the northern part of the city. Not in the wildfire mitigation work, but in the park's operational maintenance, it is. I wonder if it's worth putting it in wildfire mitigation because it is part of the spread and why the Marshall Fire spread so much. Are you speaking to HOAs that want to mow their... No, city-owned property. Yeah, no, this would be, I mean, it ultimately comes out of the same fund, but from a standpoint, this is the wildfire mitigation work is specifically dealing with the Gamble Oak and then... Parks and Rec. It's an internal separation, but it is handled essentially under Parks and Rec. My suggestion is to get grant money added and seek payment for this function through grant money and thereby not have us have to pay for it because that is precisely why the Marshall Fire spread. Yep. So when I speak about the grant, it's the city grants to the individuals and the HOAs. Okay. Yeah, I would say that just on a general statement, every project that we have in here and every activity that we do, part of what all the staff work together, I'll just make this as a general statement, we are looking under every nook and cranny for grant opportunities. So I would let the staff know you can assume that we are looking at it. We've had a great partnership with Michael Baker over the years who has some grant experts. who has helped us. And then we've got, you know, our city engineer is a CDOT, 15-year CDOT person who understands the CDOT grants. And so just as a general statement. You mentioned to me Charlie's work there. I'd like, she's sitting right here. Let's give credit where credit is due. Charlie's our lead liaison. When you submit the budget, maybe that's the appropriate time to do it. I would love to see a tally of all the grant money that you all have collected or used in the last year? It goes in the packet. I think once a month we have a grant update. I can add it all up. I can see it, but I think it would be nice for the public to see that you all have been great with our money, that you all have brought in some additional money. I'd like to see it with the budget, I think. Certainly. Let's see. Westside commercial infrastructure. I don't remember. Do we have a graphic on that? Yeah, I think this is the roadway improvements. That's really all that was. So sorry, I probably doubled that camera. No, we just used the same graphic for that. Spoke to Wes. I skipped a couple. Apologize. So yes. The next one is, what is CAS? No, we talked about that one. Oh, I spoke about that one, Caspines Parkway to the Roundabout Rehabilitation. All right, there is, and I got it wrong last year, so I just put them both out here for council consideration. And you're not limited, obviously, to this, but we typically do one gateway a year. And the two that we have looked at for council consideration is the West City Entrance at CPP. That would be just west of the roundabout at CPP and Buffalo at the city's entrance up there. I believe we have a graphic for that one so you can see. When you're coming westbound, I'm sorry, eastbound on from Daniels Park. So that's the roundabout, right? And then it drops down with the ridge on the right-hand side right there. So this was... No, it would be just we, our property. Oh, this is right after the parking lot. Yeah, exactly. That's all county at that point. But we designed it in this area. A little trail piece we don't want to clean up. Okay. So this was considered when we first. Yeah, facing east when you're coming into town. Why am I having trouble picturing this? Buffalo Trail is right to the left. You're at the top of the hill, and then there's the circle, and then you go right down. If you're coming up from Santa Fe driving, you come up that road, and it bends around, and you go past Indian Park Road, and you turn to the right, that's where you're looking, right there. You've been driving it. I haven't, but... It doesn't look like this at all. No, because it's a terrible... Okay. That was a joke. So this one was... was one of the first ones originally considered by council. But the concern at that point was the traffic volumes back in 2020 or 19, whenever we first looked at this, I think council felt like there was a much higher return and value putting it, which is, it's a long story on why we didn't do Monarch first, but it's why the I-25 ultimately was the first monument that we did. But given, what's happening on Greggs and the increased traffic for council consideration. The other one would be completing the I-25 and Castle Pines Parkway one. So let's show you a picture of what that one would look like. Yeah, so this would be the northbound one. So this is built right now. And so it'd be this one right here, along with continuing the landscaping at all four sides. Can we do this before this is realigned? Or after? I'm sorry. Havana would be over where the B is on the left-hand side there, so there would be no overlap with this project. It's down the hill from that area. The more But the idea ultimately is to have one at every entrance to town. And I think I had previously talked to council at some point, just real briefly, about actually putting one on South Havana because it was going to be realigned and that was an area. But given... the thought that there's not a lot of traffic. I mean, unless I 25 is shut down, there's not a lot of traffic right there to delay that one. And the areas, the two significant areas that it feels like we still have, because we're, we've already got one going in council hasn't approved it, but it will go in at the legate roundabout. So we've got that Southwest quadrant done. This one or the West CPP, you might be thinking, if I may, thinking about the Happy Canyon Interchange one. We are designing that with the monuments in it. So when council sees that project, those funds will be incorporated into the total construction project with the landscaping and the monuments in. And that way we get CDOT's approval as part of that process. And it'll happen. Sorry, it'll have an enhanced facade on the bridge side, unlike what we have at Castle Pines Parkway right now. So that is why we're not discussing or proposing the Abbey Canyon be one of that, because that can be built into that project. I would ask, please, that when we start to think about this, that we think about the trails. and where they come out from, which they, of course, are really familiar with, and which way people would need to traverse to get from the west to the east, because we have a missing sidewalk in one place on the south side, but that is the most likely traveled option for people to go over to Lifetime. And if they were to have to cross cpp twice just to get over would be cumbersome and then secondly the trail then on paper looks convenient from the north to either come out by the metro district or dcs montessori in fact is not as easily traversed as one might think it's not a close an easy connection so when we think about how we're going to cross over CPP as pedestrians. Can we match that up with the missing and, you know, the on the ground rather than just the map part? Not today, but I want to, you know, put it in the file it away and have parks think about it. So I think this is a good time to talk about another file it away for the future because it's not happening right now. But council's aware that we have proposed to pause the and reallocate some of the funds from the like ped bridge that is that we were going to put as part of the happy canyon interchange and i want to spend time rehashing that one but what we have potentially identified that we're still working with cdot and the property owner is as part of the overall commercial development on the east side the property owner is required to add a lane on Happy Cane, I'm sorry, on Castle Pines Parkway Bridge. So there are three lanes going eastbound, and that would change the southbound off-ramp in there. So one of the solutions that would benefit... CDOT benefit us and benefit the developer would be to remove the existing sidewalk. That's the raised concrete sidewalk on the south side of the Castle Pines Parkway Bridge. You can then restrike that. You'd have to take out that little bit of that median and you could get the third lane in without actually making any changes to the bridge. You remove the concrete, which adds weight to the bridge. So CDOT likes that because it's still their bridge. and reduces their long-term liability and maintenance costs. And then it would be the requirement to recreate the bike ped crossing. And then the property owner of North Canyons LLC would build a bike ped bridge without a penny of our cost somewhere roughly down in this area here. And then we would tie into it on the west side. And then obviously the developer would be responsible for it on the east side. So that gets, that's a longer term, issue than more of that shorter term that Council Member Mulvey was talking about, how do we get people efficiently over to CP, I'm sorry, to lifetime. But I think it's something important for Council to keep in the back of your head that we do have a potential solution that saves the developer millions and actually gets us that bridge at the appropriate time. And then that bridge can be tied in based upon the commercial development in PA2 and located, in theory at least. where it would be appropriate to drop you into the commercial side of that. So lots more to come on that. Don't have any drawings, don't have any details. We don't have CDOT approval or anything yet, but it does look very possible and positive. And what I'm asking everybody to do, please, so that I can interface on the grant side for Dr. Cogg and CDOT and stuff is traverse it yourself. and observe where you might, if you had a bike or were walking or jogging, whether you would want to be on the north side or the south side and how kids might be able to get across to use either Soaring Hawk Park or the other trails and parks that we have on the other side. And as part of the realignment and development of PA-1, there will be the developers responsible for putting a sidewalk on the north side and ultimately responsible for the connection on the south side. Yeah. Once that development moves forward. He's now responsible for the sidewalk on the south side? No, he is. That's why I just said what I was sitting down. I said north and then I said south. Oh, and then south after. Yeah. He's just doing the north now because that project is underway. South will be when the... That's right. I just wanted to make sure it was done. That's all. To be more specific, does that mean at some point from the west side of 25 on Castle Pines Parkway, I can use a sidewalk on the north or the south side of Castle Pikes Park River Bridge. That's the hope. And it's just a matter of how you get there. You've got to cross a lot of things. Can I get up and show them what I was talking about? If you were coming from the north, if you were coming from the north, that's where Retreat is, and it looks like you could come out by Charter Oaks or Max Drive and go over, but it's not. There's a huge gulch. And then if you were to come out from underneath the power lines, you actually have to go west, and then pick up the sidewalk. If you're on the south side here and you want to go over there, you have to cross over and then back Castle Plains Parkway. So I'm asking everybody to think about which you prefer, the north or the south, because either way, we're going to have to do a fair amount of work. There's no sidewalk here on the south side at all. And in front of DCS Montessori, On the north side, there's no sidewalk there either. So I'm missing something. So my preference would be to go from Castle Pines Parkway either north or south side on the Castle Pines Parkway bridge. So that's what I'll go. I don't have a choice of north or south. I want both. Well, yeah, I would too. We're going to get there. Well, there would not be a sidewalk on the south side of the bridge. It would be a separate... bike ped bridge, similar to what we had proposed that the city build, but it would be built by the developer. Because the only way that it benefits the developer is to, otherwise they have to build and they have to extend that bridge out for potentially tens of millions of dollars versus a bike ped bridge, which is maybe three to four million, just relatively. And to make it work on the north side, we'd have to make new sidewalk where we just put in landscape. We have to make this new sidewalk where we just put in the landscaping by the car wash. And then we have to find a way for people to get from those trails north over and find a way to get the kids that want to bike across Castle Pines Parkway up there and then back up. And then there's oh, there's also the DCS Montessori segment that has no north side sidewalk. So I think it's something we should collectively think about before we're. you know, all of a sudden one day presented with these plans and now what? Well, I assume we're going to have conversations about that. Correct, yeah. Well, we're looking forward tonight. Well, no, just that we don't need to tell them to do it because we're going to do it. Do we need to, does council from a gateway, if we want to do a gateway feature, do we want to do the one on northbound I-25 at Castle Fines Parkway or would you rather us bring back design and financing for the one on West CPP at the roundabout. So that is the question. I vote against gateways this year and think about how to improve our trails and sidewalks first. Okay. Other comments? If we're doing gateways, I'd prefer the northbound as opposed to the westbound. Yeah. I have a question about that northbound because I prefer that too, but would that coordinate with the bridge change so we could do it at the same time so we're not having to do something and then... Yeah, that's kind of weird. Yeah, we wouldn't initiate it. We wouldn't initiate it until we knew what was going to happen. We wouldn't actually start construction until the bridge. I don't think there's going to be an issue on that, though. How you doing, Deputy? Sorry to interrupt. We had a meeting scheduled on email that was sent down to me. Oh, I see why. Oh, sure. Just a study session. Roger wanted me to come say hi to everybody. Thank you for coming. Yeah, we missed you. Yeah, I missed you last time. You were out dealing with a traffic accident. Yeah, it was the DUI. Oh, no kidding. I know for that, I was on vacation. Oh, there you take vacation. Well, I'm glad you called the DUI. Yeah, it was a good time. Just wanted to say hi. Any questions real quick? No, thank you for your attention to some recent issues we had. Are you noticing any of what has come up? Deborah mentioned this to me. Any issues with those kids on motor, I mean, they're like motorcycles. If I may keep us on topic, we're going to have a full discussion on that. Thank you. Sorry we missed you. So, Michael. Can you go back to the minute? Northbound I-25, I-04. Okay. Where roughly on that map would it be? So, can you go back to the graphic? So the current one is right there. And so there'd be a matching one on the north back. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. And this is that huge quarter horseshoe. Would they repair the areas of neglect? Yep. Because there's... Well, so the area of landscaping that we've previously talked to CEDAW about is identified within, we can see it in there. This is kind of the more natural grasses that council has done. Thank you. Michael, I have to assume that traffic going north down 25 to West Castle Pines Parkway is significantly greater than the traffic coming from Parker. I'm sorry, say that one more time. I think I got it. The traffic coming, if it's a choice of the two, traffic from north down 25 going west is significantly greater than traffic on Hess coming from Parker. Correct. We've already done the one coming from Parker. We're kind of saying no to the one on Hess. We've already done that one. That's one that's getting completed right now. The other option is the one that's out west. It's the one west. Oh, you mean going west. That's what I was confused. Okay. Yeah, I'm with you. Okay. Okay, the good thing I didn't vote on the north first. So I think that we haven't been out. Yeah, don't worry. I still go on north. It's called Fiji, Greg. Yeah, right? Something, I don't know. Right, then we, as I stated earlier, we're beefing up our pavement management program. which, and so that was the, this is not what we're doing in 2026. This is just a snapshot of the, yeah, no, this would be, you want to talk about cone zones. No, this is just a shot of the overall pavement management program. When you go to look at our ratings on the city's GIS site. So just so Michael, do you have some points for me this year? I'm just going to give an example on my street. It's all patched and, I thought this year was going to not be repeated, but whatever that's called, the slurry. Is that still happening this year? I'd have to check on your specific street to see. Because some of it is just the alligator crack filling, and it's not getting the slurry. Because it was on the plan. Then it will happen. Okay. Yeah. I know there's still work in your neighborhood coming in later September. Oh, okay. But I'll follow up with you. Right now, it's awful with all the fashions. But hopefully less. I noticed the two chunks. I noticed my dry mill looks like it's building the 40s. All right. I mentioned to council that there has been some interest on the Caspines Town Center. And so the thought is late 2026 that we might see some. infrastructure application, maybe some planning that would come forward, anticipating that it could take a significant amount of time. Sorry, I keep getting up and down. The individual that we met with was interested in developing commercial on the west side, I'm sorry, the east side of Lagay, which, of course, conjures up the conversation around finishing the four lane, that intersection, et cetera, and then doing residential, about 150 combination townhomes and single family on the east side. But as I think council's aware, that still requires the entire infrastructure to be put in with the roadway system, the water, sewer, stormwater, drainage, et cetera, that's in there. And so that's the item that we've got identified in late 2026 would be the infrastructure, assuming it will take at least another year or a year to get to the place where they'd be ready to do that infrastructure development. There's no indication it's going to happen. There's also no indication that it won't happen. Just putting it on your radar, that is a potential. Are you comfortable sharing the concepts regarding potential sale as part of the vapor zone property with council? I don't. You mentioned it to me in our one-on-one. Isn't that what I just said? No, it didn't say that specifically. didn't hit on some things that were a part of that conversation. Feel free. I don't, you mentioned having conversations with somebody outside the city about selling to somebody to purchase something. There is no interest in that. And that person has no interest that died in one way. Okay. Thank you. The only, the only development that we are, that we are aware of, and you know, this is, This is a moment in time, and it doesn't happen. There's no application. There's no discussion. I just want to put it on the council's radar that this is happening. The Happy Canyon Bridge. Interchange is anticipated to start in 2026. We will have capital funds in there. We have previously shared with council that project is being funded through the county as well in the tune of about $20 million, which is roughly half of that project. The funding for the county, let's wait until Eubanks gets back. The funding for the county, will be spent in 26, 27 before we spend because that's when they've got it allocated for us. So the order of the overall funding will be the county money, the developer's funds, and then the city is responsible for all the final construction costs, anything that doesn't cover the other one. The development is really going to start on the north side. We're going to build a new – so on this graphic, while we wait for Councilmember Eubanks to come back, the existing bridge is the southern bridge, which is on the north side because this is facing south. And then – so the new bridge would be built, and then we'd come back through with CDOT funds to rebuild the southern bridge that's in there. So hopefully he'll be – Back here. What we're waiting is the 4P, CDOT 4P done. Did they vote on it yet? I do not know the answer to that. It's the same design. It's down on 85. Correct. Yeah. Kind of. Why don't we go ahead and play this here? Yeah, it's the same theory about moving vehicles to the left to queue it. They tell me that the one on C470 is part of what we're going to do. We're going to do a halt. This is about a minute and a half, so just be patient. And it's running on Wi-Fi, so it's not the most smoothest here. This is the expectation of the traffic flows when it's done, right? That's what we're seeing. Yeah. Yeah. So we've got, we're going to be putting these on the city's website. If anyone else is familiar, just back in time, Chris, come see our video. So, you know, the community has really appreciated these visuals and being able to see how this actually works. We actually think that CDOT might use this graphic on their website to talk to people about how to use a diverging diamond interchange. But I just want to... show you um obviously you can identify there's the roundabout doesn't have the monument in it yet but who will um so and then this just kind of sits here so you can get a flow but if you actually take the time once this is on the on the internet um the the actual traffic is flowing as it would live this is a true example of what's going to happen if we're still looking at a way to get people that are on head or foot or bicycle from the circle on the right to Soaring Hawk, which would be on the left, because we have those crosswalks, but I'm not sure how many moms are going to want their kids to ride their bikes out. So this is the only, there are no options for changing on the diverging diamond, the bike bed. This is what CDOT and FHWA required. So we were doing that, but it does bring up something that I want to mention that Part of what's going to happen in 2028 is it is Shea's responsibility to build the road connection from Canyonside Boulevard to the interchange. And so that's going to be built. Sidewalk will be a component of that. We don't have any design. It's going to happen in 2028. But their plan is to open that road when we are done with the Castle Pines Parkway. I'm sorry, the Happy Canyon Interchange Bridge. at that point and then a future conversation for council, whether or not the town center develop and property happens is there is no sidewalk from the interchange for the roundabout up to Chase. And so if that development doesn't move forward before we opened the bridge in 28, one of the questions for council probably in 27 for the 28 budget would be, do we want to build a sidewalk up there to connect in here, because otherwise, at some level, it's a sidewalk to nowhere, although there is no development down there, but bring it up to chase. But that'll be a 28 discussion for council. Yes, sir. Did I understand you say that there is no intention for bicycle riders to use that interchange? Oh, no, there's full intent for people both in the lane and there is a... bike ped path that goes across that. On the interchange. That's just really a nice ride back here. I wish I knew how one would do something like that. Well, you see where the, do you see where the hash marks are in the crosswalks? Yeah. So the concern is that you can't put the traffic signal there. So the traffic signal is not exactly where the crosswalk is. And that's where the detail comes in on the design. Except Michael said earlier, this is the required design. We don't have a choice. We're stuck with this. It doesn't have to be that way. Because we just already addressed there. No, actually we did, and I spoke to the CDOT guys and the county guys about it. So whatever conversation Council Member Mulvey has had, we are being told this is the required burning diamond. crossing system. There are two protected crosswalks. The southbound off-ramp is not protected because you have to allow the traffic free flow to get off the highway. We've had that conversation. And the next crossing is protected. You can see the stop bar further up to the right. If you cross over here, you're coming over here. Then you have a protected cross and then you have a non-protected cross because you have to allow the folks here, and then you'll move up here. This sidewalk will end, and that's where I was saying that Shea is responsible for making that connection, both on the roadway and the sidewalk system. But again, that'll be a 2028 conversation to really fine-tune. Before that, I would like to speak. So my understanding that from the roundabout, you're saying that a future consideration may be a trail from the roundabout to Legay. To chase. To chase. But no consideration of a road instead of a trail. He's talking about a sidewalk. Yeah. Because there isn't a sidewalk right now. Okay, so what do I mean? Because there's nothing on the roundabout. It doesn't go anywhere west. That's what I thought you were talking about. You can't cross over. So this will... So bear with me for a second. So the slip lane... If you recall the design the slip lane has, you don't go through the roundabout if you know you're going northbound on Legate. That is not being built right now because that is a warrant and a condition of the development by North Town Center. So there's a lot of component on this side of the interchange that isn't being built right now because we don't want it on our valve. We want the developer to be responsible for that sidewalk that we're building. You see it stops at the... Pork chop right up there. Okay, now I see. Yeah, right there. And so the question for the council, should the developer not have done anything by the time we get done with the interchange, is do you want to build a sidewalk and pay for a sidewalk to chase along Legay? Okay. But again, that will be in 2028. I wasn't understanding, sorry. Discussion. So that that sidewalk goes somewhere. Can you explain what protected means? Protected means that there's a signal that is stopping. the cars so that you have a safe crossing versus you have to look left to see that people are getting off the highway southbound and jump in between. It's protected on the right-of-way. It goes east-west, but it's not protected and signalized on the ramp because it can't be. So it's when you leave the trail to go across that ramp to the protected side. That's the part that... concerns me that we have no solution for. Okay. The expensive sounding like I'm being tense tonight. So whether you're entering or exiting 25, that cannot be stopped. That has to be free flowing. Right. North of now on and off. Yeah. Okay. So go back to the sauna. So the next. went down there. And I think we spoke to council around this when we talked about the stormwater costs and fees. So starting in late 2026 and going into 2027, we anticipate doing the Happy Canyon Tributary stormwater improvement. And you'll recognize this next vision from what Joe had presented to you. So this is a partnership 50-50 split with Mile High Flood. We are moving this project up at the request of Mile High Flood into, I think, what Joe had talked to you about was it happening in 2027. We hope to start it in 2026. This is going to be, I think, a significant improvement both from a stormwater standpoint, but I think also in aesthetics at a really critical intersection of the city. And I think the community will very much appreciate it. And then I believe the last item for 2026 is, The east side, I think the owner calls it the south side, but it's the far east side of the Canyons property. There is a letter of intent for that property, and I think I've shared with the council right now. So this... What we would anticipate is that between the time that it takes them to get the contract signed and do the design for the engineering that late 2026, we would start to see the infrastructure happen in here. And the one piece that I want that I think is different from what I previously talked about with the Shea development, Shea had planned on starting with that northern property, north side of the property, and then developing it south, which would have given us the they would have been required to then donate, dedicate the regional park. That's that 160 to us. The new development plan, as I understand it, and we'll have more in the coming weeks and months would be, they would start in the central area. So there would be, so we've delayed any action relative to the regional park because that wouldn't be dedicated. And we don't know whether the developer ultimately will go south or Will they go north and south at the same time? So we don't know what that looks like. I think, you know, there's obviously there's a benefit of that land getting dedicated. It's a beautiful piece of property if you haven't been up there to look at it. But also importantly is ultimately having the developer move to the south so we can make the connection to Crowfoot because that ties into the Happy Canyon Interchange and why the county is ultimately paying roughly half that project. And Mr. Penny, wasn't that southeast corner? Am I mistaken in thinking that at one point that was going to be commercial? It just says residential, so on. Yeah, I'm sorry. We just used a graphic. That south side, I believe, has about 100,000 square feet of commercial in total in it, and then it's got about a 500-unit, my recollection is 500 high-density residential units kind of in that southeast corner. Yes, sir. Not necessarily a popular subject, but are we really sincerely looking at the water usage in all this development? The reason I ask, an article came out last week across Colorado. They are reducing allocations 15 to 25 percent across the state for agricultural use and everything else. So are we sincerely looking? And the water allocation for all this? So you know we're served on the east side by Parker Water and Sand, which is really what we're talking about here. And the developer and Parker Water and Sand, those water rights and this overall density and development is in Parker's long-range water plan. And so the short answer is yes. The longer answer would be, be happy to set a meeting up with you and Parker so you can hear about their, I mean, I think you've seen some of their presentations. It's one of the criteria when it comes to us. Yeah, a will serve letter is required. I was really shocked when they released that report. It's basically a 25% reduction in water allocation. Thank you for coming to our forum. Yes, certainly. May I make a comment about something we addressed already, just to plant it in yours and Charlie's mind, since Charlie's our grant person. When we get to the gateway on Castle, when we're on Castle Pines Parkway and that idea, the concept of it having true regional benefit is significant because it would be a connector on a multimodal concept. And I think it would take a lot of boxes on grant applications. And we might want to consider putting it in the UPWP or the other acronyms it's giving me. I'll send you the things because now's the time to submit our stuff. Yep. And, Mayor, that's what we have for 2026. Good. Great. Thank you very much. Is there anything else for clarity's purpose that you need? I think I just remember you being set for questions. Just to go back to, if I missed this in a couple of meetings, I must apologize. Going back to economic development, what is the status of Proton? So I have reached out several times. I have not heard back in any recent history. I think if you look at the tentative calendar, you'll see we're going to have an executive session on another offer on the property, and that's going to be, I believe, September 9th. So as part of that conversation, I think council will have an opportunity to follow up on previous executive privileged conversations. Okay. Thank you. All right. That's it. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. Thank you guys for all your hard work putting this presentation together. If we don't have any further questions, we'll go ahead and adjourn the study session. Thank you, everyone. I would like to thank everybody for the open dialogue. I think it's really important. Why don't you get back?