all right welcome everyone sorry for a little bit first thing we need to do is have a motion to close our you know let's do that last let's go through the other two thank you all right we're gonna have a report on the traffic committee by scott go ahead sir Generate some enthusiasm. I know we have at least one new council member. And some of you may not know what the traffic committee does. So I thought I'd just talk a little bit about who the traffic committee is and what we do. And I know there's at least two people here who sat on the traffic committee at least once. You've been there once, right? Three. Make that three. So the traffic really, I counted up the number of individuals. We have about nine. on that committee, and it is comprised of four engineers, our streets manager. We have someone from community development, someone from police. We have our fire marshal, and we also have someone from legal. And these are monthly meetings that we hold, and primarily what we do Back in the day, city would get traffic complaints. Police would get them. Engineering would get them. Public works would get them. Administration would get them. You guys, city council members would get them. There really wasn't a good way to address it. So we set up this committee to do that. That was the impetus of this committee. And it's been about 11 years ago. since we started it. And it's been great. It's probably one of the most important meetings that I go to on a regular basis, I would say, because we accomplish a lot. We take all of the complaints that we get, all of the recommendations, we take them seriously and we analyze them. Sometimes it just takes a very, very long time for us to come up with a solution. Sometimes we may never come up with an adequate solution. We'll probably talk about one of those today. But the important thing is that we, one of the things, our main objective is to make Draper safer. And it's by the input of citizens and yourselves that we're able to analyze these different situations and determine if there is a safety issue or not. And sometimes our recommendations are not always the logical thing that you would expect from us. You may want a flashing stop sign and we actually do the analysis and we end up taking the stop sign out. That's happened. So understand that once we start looking at an issue, we have to look at it the right way. We have to comply with the laws and stop signs, traffic signals, actually any sign has to follow what's called the MUTCD manual on uniform traffic control devices. And it's what standardizes everything in the country. So little pop quiz. If you're on an interstate and it ends in a five, are you going north or south or east or west? Typically north and south. And if it's an even number, it's typically east-west. So things like that, right? There are standardizations. If you're on a I-215, Typically, that's going to be a loop that starts off of I-15 and you come back to I-15. So it's typically a business route. So there are these standardized methodologies. So when you're driving in Utah or New York or wherever, the expectations are the same. One of the, I'm gonna cover just a few projects that we've been, not necessarily projects, but situations that we've looked at for a very long time. One is on Lone Peak at APA. This is a area, and we get a lot of comments on this, as I'm sure all of you do too, because it's a problem area. And our priority is, again, safety. So we're looking at, is there something that we can do to make this safer? We can't control the charter school. They're there, and they bring a lot of traffic, and it really gumps things up. So I can tell you right now, we've done a lot of analysis. We've done multiple studies on this, and even recently. Trying to come up with some solutions to what we know are our existing safety issues so one is as vehicles exit APA If there's no one here now the school they try to have someone there, but sometimes they're not there if they're not let's just take for example when we did counts and over 100 vehicles turn left out of here. There's supposed to be no left turns. When there is someone there, zero. So there's clearly a need for vehicles to go north, and you can't do that turning out of here. So when someone is there, they turn right, and then immediately they're trying to flip a U-turn and go north. Sometimes they'll turn into the businesses and then go through the businesses and get back going on. So one of the things that we're looking at is adding a median in that extends from near election road all the way up to 1-19-50 that would prohibit those illegal U-turns and the left turns. It would force all of the traffic to this intersection, which is signalized. So we've also looked at, is this the best place for this signal? There's really not a lot of traffic on 150. So we've done analysis on that. Turns out that it makes things worse if it's not there. We've looked at adding another signal here that makes things worse. We really have analyzed this to death almost, and we will keep analyzing it because it's a problem that's not gonna go away. We'll keep trying to figure out little things that we can do. I just got this report on Friday about the median, so I haven't really completely analyzed that yet, but it's looking a little promising. So that's kind of where we're at on APA and Lone Peak Parkway. Does anyone have any questions on this one before I move to the next one? Yes. Go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, did they have a conditional use permit that includes traffic mediation, like staff being there to manage? Give me a minute. I can look it up. I know that they... I know there were... They had a traffic study approved when they came in, and it set certain requirements for parking and access, that kind of thing. I don't think it got that in-depth on having the flaggers and things like that. So they were doing that voluntarily, and we have no mechanism to make that condition. So the condition of the conditional use permit states that they have to vary their start times between elementary, middle school, and high school. I knew that. And we've never enforced all that. No, we haven't. It's not that we've never enforced, it's that we didn't define by how much they had to delay their start time. So if they delay their start time to five minutes, they're in compliance with the terms of their condition. Oh, that's a miss. OK. So we missed our opportunity then. Yeah. Sometimes you just shrug, right? You just shrug your shoulders. You can't go back in time. Yeah. When I knocked doors off Election Road and all back in there, and I did it, like, even then when I tried to come out, like, the people line up along Long Beach forever. Is there any, I think that's probably part of your long-term problem that you discussed at Nauseam, but, like, it's so horrible for those people that live in those neighborhoods. That's my primary concern, is site visibility. coming out of these neighborhoods because you get people aggravated people they get caught in this that they don't know what it is so they're not there so finally they get out of that lane that's backed up and they're starting you know they're picking up speed and you got someone pulling out of inauguration or election yeah and they can't see that car that's ticked off now you know that scenario so i don't what i would like to do is be able to uh mitigate the stacking on long peak yeah i don't have a way to do that unfortunately i just don't we have the no parking uh marked out on the on long peak in front of those intersections so and and generally speaking people do let them through but they just it's a sight visibility issue and it's it's scary. It's sketchy. We haven't we've been fortunate that they're having to my knowledge. There haven't been any serious accidents there. It's this is a typical problem that you have with the school that because they can come in and they don't have to They just come in, and they bring all of this traffic with them, and then we're left to have to figure out how to mitigate our roads to deal with it. So you say that they can do staggered times, but they can be five minutes, so we don't really have any power. Have we ever had any sort of meeting with them and been like, okay, they need to be a half hour apart or something because this is ruining our city, even though we don't have power, but just tried to... So there's... doing that is has advantages and disadvantages the advantages is you're staggering it so you would maybe have lost vehicles but also you're also now creating more trips because what happens is a family will come and drop all of their kids off in one vehicle and now they have to take two or three trips to to be able to drop their kids off at all those different times. So it's hard to say how much advantage you would get out of that versus the disadvantage. And it probably would vary by year. And because we didn't put that condition as far as the time differential in the conditions, it's really kind of too late from what I understand. And I don't know. Our attorneys could probably answer that better. So that's really, again, we're just being kind of reactionary on this because we literally, we've been looking at this since I've been here for almost 12 years now. Awesome. It stems from the fact that we couldn't make requirements on them for parking. Right. Because the charter school legislation allows them to go wherever they want to go. Right. We basically have to accommodate. Okay, so my questions are, I know APA has been looking at trying to access whatever that road is, 119. 119.50. And I believe that there's a problem with, that there's another owner who has the land. So there is a protection strip. This owner over here owns a protection strip along this right of way that So you have their property, you have our right-of-way, and then you have a protection strip that's owned by this property owner, and then you have this property here. That protection strip extends from Lone Peak all the way down to this point right here. So this was intended to be an access on the 11950, but because of that protection strip, that connection was never made. When the charter school expanded, they had to purchase a home right here and demolish it to be able to provide this emergency access only to make that work because they couldn't get access there. So that's really what that's about. And so there's nothing the city can do to facilitate opening that access point right there on 192. There is. You could condemn it. But we would be condemning the protection strip. And I believe that that's been pursued or looked at in the past, but it was something that I haven't been involved with. So I don't really know. We told the APA to see if they have combination powers. They tried that and litigated it and lost, and actually lost some space. The protection strip is actually wider than the original. So one of those, be careful what you ask for. Does the protection strip run all the way up? Yes. So they couldn't, even if they acquired that parcel, they could not access. It extends from our right-of-way on Long Peak all the way down to where our right-of-way ends, which is. We have never condemned property for a school, be it a district school or any other school. I mean, it's not something we've ever done. What about to the left? Further, like where there's a parking lot. This is private. The road is public to this point. Then it goes private. This is a traffic problem created solely and completely 100% by APA. Yeah, it's really kind of a, I don't know a better term, but a feud between APA and the property owner that we just really haven't gotten involved in that aspect. And is that kind of where we stand? Because I don't know if anyone else got the email from APA. If they were to acquire this property in front, could they stack there possibly? And take that traffic pressure off our streets? It would take it off the streets. You'd still have the issue of obviously everybody exiting at that one spot, but at least it would take that pressure off the street. You could snake it along. Right, that's what I mean. Is there anything we can do to push their hand in that way. For example, maybe more ticketing or something? Is there any rule that they can't just be parked in the middle of the road for 20 minutes? So yeah, define parking because they're technically kind of moving and they're just very slowly. It's not really a turn lane. No, there's not. So they are kind of obstructing traffic. Yes. So here's an interesting aspect of solving traffic problems. You solve one problem, it just pushes it onto another. It just pushes it somewhere else. So whatever we, I mean, a lot of these, for example, people come, the school said, well, we're going to stagger the pickup time, right? Which they do. So they stagger it so that not everyone's arriving at the same time. But you're out running errands. You're waiting to pick up your kids. I mean, you pick them up when it's convenient for you, right? So those people that have a later pickup time, they're just sitting out on these roads here waiting for that time that they can come in on the school property and pick their kids up. So it didn't really, it probably helps, but it didn't solve the problem because people are gonna drive when they're gonna drive and they're picking them up at their convenience. So that kind of leads me to my second question, which is that property that I believe is for sale. That property would also have that protection barrier. Whoever buys that, that would be part of their property as well. Well, it's a separate property. It's a strip of property, so it's not actually their property. But they wouldn't have access on the 11950 because of that protection strip. Whoever owns that property, this property owner owns that protection strip and has control of it, and it's there for that purpose. For a specific reason, yeah. To keep them off. Yeah. So if someone were to buy that property and develop it, they have to access off of the APA entrance, which is just going to compound the problem. But is that APA entrance not private property, their entrance? It is. But it's part of this. That empty piece is part of the subdivision that APA's part of. So that's access, I believe, is shared with all the lots in that subdivision. Yes. That part. North of the east? Yes. So they have access to that. And then would they be able to access Lone Peak? They wouldn't. I mean, it just depends on, we'd have to analyze who goes in, what kind of traffic volume they're going to have. But having an access here and one in between and then this one is not advisable. at all. It would be better to do something with this access. Well, I can't say because I don't know what kind of traffic would be generated. I would just hope that when this property develops traffic that it's not at the same time that APA is peaking with their pick up and drop offs. But that may be too much to hope for. There's a reason it's not been built. It's not easy. I still don't understand why APA doesn't just buy it. I don't think I got the email from APA. Where did they send it? It's been a while. They've sent an email offering to donate $500,000 to the city in an effort to condemn the protection strip. Interesting. So we do work with APA. We communicate with them. We're on an annual basis. We're talking to them about what they can do. We're both, you know, the city and APA, we're just up against these boundaries. There's really just not a whole lot left to do. We don't have a lot of tools in the toolbox, really. Why is that entrance kind of What is that little piece of grass there? I'm not sure why that is the way that it is. It's really awkward when you go in there. It may have been an effort to push it further away from this intersection. I'm really not sure. But part of the issue really can be how fast you can get vehicles in. And then there has to be enough stacking space once they get in there. But when you're stacked up all the way to 114 south, those vehicles have to go in pretty fast to clear that out. And this really is not ideal to allow for that fast of a movement. So even if there was more stacking here, there would probably still be... some stacking out here just because of the time it takes to get that much traffic in. Because it's a right end only, you can't turn left into it either. You can't go left in, you can't go left out. Scott, I have a question on that. Is it possible if you cut in where that grass is, have a double right end only? Would that help? It may help, but the problem is you've only got one lane coming into it. So what would probably help more is to come in and then immediately divide into two lanes so that it can go faster once they get in and not get down. But they would have to have more space to do that because we have to have a clear fire lane. We can't jam everything up in case there's a fire. So it's just really a challenging problem. But we did not create it. We did not create it. But we're constantly, I mean, anyone who's attended these meetings knows that we've talked about APA for years and years and years. And we've done a lot of things. tried a lot of things. Um this median looks a little bit promising. It's not gonna be a solution by any means. All all it would really do is make it a little bit safer for the you know stopping the illegal U-turns. It it may help in that people trying to turn left is it's creating a bit of a backup of people trying to turn left in sometimes. So it would eliminate that movement but it would force everything to go south also, which, I mean, these traffic models are not perfect, but it shows some promising value by doing that. So yeah, any other questions before we move on to the next challenging issue? We have time. Channing Hall. I was just going to say, is it another charter school? Another charter school, if I can get an analysis. So, Channing Hall is also... Where am I at? You're at 123. Oh yeah. This mouse is really... OK. So Channing Hall has the same type of issue, just not as big. There's not as much fall in the traffic. But as you probably all know, during the peak times, we get traffic backed up into the roundabout. And that's problematic because it's a single lane roundabout. There's really no way. I mean, it is a single lane. And when you jam up a roundabout, it fails. it's not like a traffic signal that you just wait for the next phase and if it starts wrapping around then you it just creates a real hazard potentially i mean it it's not as bad as one peak but it's it's it's an issue we would like to resolve so we are trying to not meet with with them to see if there's any way we can get a little more space here for some stacking to utilize this area. We can eliminate this left turn lane and create a right turn only lane without losing our bike lanes and without losing anything else but the left turn lane. It would be a little strange to have such a long right turn only, but at least if we did that, vehicles could stack in that left or right turn only and we would have another through lane next to it. Which is what is kind of happening now. It is. It's essentially just making it what they're doing now work with the striping. So it really isn't going to solve a problem because that Those two lanes have to terminate at this point here where there's only enough room for one lane. So if we can get more stacking on the school property, there may be enough to keep the vehicles out for the most part, maybe not all the time, but for the most part out of the roundabout. And then that solution would work. It would still back up to the roundabout not in the roundabout, but it would be a shorter back up. There's no way to get two lanes on that one side of the roundabout. There's just not enough room. I mean, if you're asking me if there's a way, an engineer is always going to find a way, but I can find a way, but it will be costly. It'll be impactful. The roundabout would have to be expanded. So any questions on that? I think we need to put in some of that cross-hatching that we have in front of APA, in front of those driveways. Do not stop here. Yeah. Do not block. Because we hear from this woman, Julian, a lot about how she can't get out of her house. Yeah. And I have an eighth-grader at Channing Hall, and it is blocked. I mean, it's... Yeah. That's one of the areas I did my own traffic study for. Yeah. Kind of scary. They also fill the whole splash pad parking lot. Yeah, so there is stuff going on on the other side as well. And actually, the splash pad has helped a fair amount in people being able to drop their kids off there, and then they walk from there. So all of that traffic without the splash pad would be winding up here too. So that's maybe one thing we can do, is try to encourage the school to encourage the parents to use that more, just to keep them out of the roundabout. As long as they're out of the roundabout, and obviously this needs to have access, then we're OK, because really there's enough space. So Tuning Hall used to do the same thing that APA used to do, where it would have parents and staff out there in the morning, and they'd be running two lanes of drop off. They actually can very tightly squeak in two lanes plus a fire access. But they have not been doing that for several years. I don't know what's in their conditional use permit. If I was their lawyer, I would tell them not to do that. Yeah, because there are also the naughty parents that then go in the fire lane. Or just a kid walking through cars. Well, there's a sidewalk, so there is a safe walking path for kids, not through the street. Do these charter schools have a community council? I don't know. They have a school board. Because I'm wondering if we could meet with them and discuss some of these, and then if we're going to kind of restripe it to kind of give some guidelines and instructions, kind of like what Tasha's saying, and say you would need to have somebody out And this is what? So we're going to, we have a contact. I'm assuming it's the right contact. We've made a phone call, but we have not received a call back. So we're just waiting. Hopefully we'll be able to meet with them soon and have that correspondence and get something to happen. I'm happy to sit in on that meeting. I know the principal and the staff are pretty well after three kids through. When is the end of their school year? Is it? Coming up. Late May. Yeah, late May. I told Zach the other day, I'm like, I can't wait to be done. I never have to fight this traffic. All right. I know we're running out of time. So I just want to show you real quickly. If I can get the mouse over there. OK. Pioneer. road is another area that we've had some site visibility issues particularly at 800 east and which is right here this is the new development that's come in the past six years or so and uh because of that these cars because um turning it turning anywhere going straight if you're kind of uh you don't have good site visibility right here. So we have been planning on pushing the road over for a long time. And we're prepared to do that now. These are the actual plans of what that would look like. So I have these highlighted areas in red are areas that currently don't have curb gutter or sidewalk, but will have curb gutter and sidewalk. when we're done. This new striping will push this road further to the south, which will give some additional site visibility right here. The vehicles will still have to come out, but they'll be able to see better. What it will do by pushing it south is we're still within our right of way, but this curb gutter and sidewalk here is gonna eliminate the parking that they're using right here in the dirt right now. And they're not very excited about that to say the least. We've talked to them, we've told them why we can't. There's really just no way to preserve any parking over here without creating some serious site visibility issues on this side. So I'm letting you know in advance. because you're gonna probably hear about it. The only option here is to do nothing. The reason we're doing this now is because we're resurfacing Pioneer from essentially 700 East all the way to 1300 East. And in the process, we're adding some storm drain and then some, like we're connecting this sidewalk and we're trying to improve the drainage and sidewalk connections on this side as well. So this property owner actually called and asked us to do this. They paid an assessment in lieu some years ago. They called and wanted us to improve the roads. And that's another reason we started looking at this. And unfortunately by doing this, it is going to eliminate their parking. So again, It's already our right-of-way then. It's in our right-of-way. We're not taking any property of theirs. They have some landscaping in our right-of-way. So just wanted to let you know of that. We did analyze Highland Drive and Rambling Road. That does warrant for a signal at that intersection. So we also analyzed if it would be better for a roundabout there. The answer was no. So we'll be coming to you at some point in the future. Good. People need that for a long time. They really need it. It stacks well with air, too. It'll be much safer. So that's our traffic committee. That's what we do. We're happy to serve you. I think the other thing that should be said about the traffic committee is you guys doing it takes the pressure off because I get traffic requests all the time. And then we also get accused of making political traffic decisions. And I'm very happy to say that traffic decisions in Tripper are not political because they're made by the traffic committee, on which no council member is allowed to sit. I know. Oh, despite some of us loving traffic. I've already asked. Well, we appreciate your support. I know a lot of the decisions that we make are hard decisions, and it's not always the popular thing. We're not trying to make people mad. It's just what comes naturally sometimes. What's funny about your decisions, though, is people are really mad ahead of time and during, and then once it's done, it's silent. Because usually it's either back to the same or it's way better. What would be a time frame? Well, we have to get it funded. So it could be as early as next year, but that would be the earliest. So we'll prepare a cost estimate and then come to the council with some funding. You want to close session now or water? Let's water. I think it was, let's crank up the water real quick. Crank up the water. Crank up the water. If only there were water to be cranked up. Yes, exactly. I included the whole, so I want to go over what I attended as well as members of the Water Department attended the Jordan Valley Water Conservancy District's member meeting on April 14th. I just wanted to share with you some slides that they presented to us regarding the water supply outlook. And then let you know what we, as a city corporate, if you will, rather than city as everybody, what our steps will be to reduce our water usage as a city entity, if you will. So water supply, I'll go through these really quick. This one on the left basically tells you that there is no water, there's no snowpack really. And so everything is red, meaning it's, I think it's, I can't, no. The legend is very small, but it's dire, okay? When you compare it just to five years ago and last year, the whole state is in an extreme drought condition. This just tells you that the water that's up in the mountains has probably come down already earlier than normal. We are looking at the outlook for the next couple of months is below average precipitation and above average temperatures. And those have been emailed too. Unfortunately, it's a 131-page document. I did email it though. Yeah, I saw that. I think these slides are on page 30. Reservoir levels are down. I mean, this is all information that's really available out there that everybody I think is aware of. Unfortunately, the stream flow into the Great Salt Lake is way behind what it should be. So all these signs point to potentially a pretty bad water year. I'm probably underselling it. So Jordan Valley has a drought monitoring committee where they've got this. Yeah, go talk about this. Yeah, so Jordan Valley's water, or excuse me, drought committee voted to Pegas at level two, which is a severe water shortage. And the action they're asking of all the member agencies is a 10% target reduction in water usage. And then there's, you know, if things get worse, then their supply allocation may get reduced. I understand that Mayor Ramsey was instrumental in convincing that some out there were saying, well, we're at level zero. There's no issue. There's no big deal. The graphs and charts I showed to you earlier would indicate otherwise. So they've settled on this level two, Mayor. Go ahead. KEN HOWARD JR.: Andy Perucci is on the board with them, voted for it to be zero. And Don had to work hard to get it to level two. And there are politicians, elected officials out there saying that this water thing is a sham. It's a scare tactic. It's a conspiracy. It's not true. But I don't think that's even rational. But to get to level two, it was a real hard push for Mayor Ramsey. She chairs that board, and it took like a yeoman's effort. And there was a couple of no votes. One state, zero. I'll let that sit again. There's a lot of people out there that don't believe that the lake isn't full when they can see that the lake is not actually full. To get to level two, you've got to have 90% to 95% of your supply available from the Central Utah Water Project. And then there's other benchmarks that support this level two. So what does that mean for Draper? So they're asking all users, all the... both the retail customers as well as the wholesale customers, and we are a wholesale customer, to reduce our consumption by 10%. Now, there won't be any penalties unless we actually go to 110% of our contract volume. So let's say our contract is for 100 acre feet and we use 110 or 111. there are financial penalties that would be imposed, a 25% surcharge for all the water usage above that 110% threshold. Now, I don't know that we, well, I'm not going to go over, anyways. So really, at this point, Jordan Valley is requesting a voluntary reduction use of at least 10%. Level two, now, They're recommending watering restrictions, but they don't have authority to impose those. That's something we could discuss. I don't know that we're at that point yet, but that's something we may want to discuss. So here's our water deliveries. We're at 49, 39 acre feet, and 10% would put us down at 44, 45 acres. This is Draper water or WaterPro? This is just the Draper that we supply, so this does not include WaterPro there. They have their own protocols, if you will. I didn't look on their website. WaterPro isn't as large and their messaging is a little bit different, if you will, than Jordan Valley. But I think they're probably in that same position. And they're wanting conservation as well. They're still saying 10%, but they haven't come out publicly. Right. Well, water probably listed on your sheets that you're looking at right now. Yeah, right there. Yeah. So I think they get some water too from Jordan Valley. Yeah, that's not much. Yeah. So yeah, this is just the penalties here. That's really all the, excuse me, all the slides I wanted to show. I just wanted to let you know that as staff, we met yesterday, Parks and Rec and Water Department, to talk about what we could do as a city entity to kind of set an example. And we talked about, you know, the watering of city properties. And Red, I know you've got a priority plan that I think you've had in place for We've used it in the past. In the past, yeah. We got it ready a couple months ago, anticipating that we may be at this moment. Yeah. We haven't enacted it, but we haven't started watering at all because we're not gonna have water for another two weeks. Right, so yeah, so secondary's not going on until May 15th, and then it's gonna be shut off September 15th, I think, of this year. So that'll make a big difference, at least in the fall. part of the season. So one of the things that Jordan Valley is asking in order to hit that 10% reduction is that we ask people, residents in particular, to postpone their watering until May 15th. If we can shorten the time that they're watering starting May 15th and ending September 15th. then that probably would meet that 10% just by doing that. Maybe even more. But the thing is, we have to act kind of quickly on the messaging. Everyone in my neighborhood already has their sprinkler. Yeah, because of that. We don't, but our grass is crunchy. It was super crunchy on Saturday. So we did get a good watering. Prior to that, they hadn't already got watered yet. Really struggling, yeah. I was just going to say, all the businesses on 123rd have been watering plenty in the last couple of weeks. The golf course up on South Mountain, they were watering the snow. I mean, it was very early on. And I think that's one of the issues is people, you flip on the switch and you don't really monitor, oh, I could do a rain delay for the next 48 hours or something. It would be nice to be able to encourage, and especially the businesses. I'm sure have landscape maintenance companies that come by on April 1st and turn the water on, and then come by October 1st and turn it off, and don't really give it much thought after that. But, Rad, do you want to briefly go over what the priority one, two, and three watering is for the city parks and properties? Yeah. Pretty much a few more. So we... We've set a priority one and a priority two. We've also got some protocols in place for rain and rain delays. We've got 46 properties that have weather track or baseline rain sensors or moisture monitors. So that helps a lot. I'll remind you of one issue we seem to run into. We've got what's called 100 or over 100 properties where Clocks are battery-powered. There's no electricity. These are park strips, some roundabouts, various properties, street islands. So what happens, they'll get set for three days a week or whatever it is. It starts raining on Friday at 6 o'clock. They're programmed to come on at 7. It literally would take a park tech two days to get around to turn all those off manually. because they're battery powered. And then another two days to get around and go turn them back on once the rain's ended. So a lot of times that's when we get called because it's after hours, it's on a weekend, and it's a lot of properties that are on battery loss. A lot of the ones that are on baseline weather traffic, we can control from the phones, we can turn them off even on weekends, or they do have a moisture monitor as well. So we are fairly well in that, but there's still a lot of properties But we'd set it up to priority one and priority twos, which would be the biggest users that we need to look good. City Hall, the cemetery, the sports field parks, or the major parks that get the most use. They would get the highest amount of water. So that would be here, cemetery, Galena, Smithfield, Draper Park, Suncrest Park, a few of those, and Steve Mallory. So if we've got high-use parks, or especially take like Galena, you go down there right now, and there'll be 24 soccer teams an hour, there'll be 16 softball teams across going. If it gets too dry and there's all that traffic, they just tore up. not get them back. So they are a priority to keep healthy and green. Where we would save a lot is the priority twos, which would be all the neighborhood parks, which would be the majority of our properties. Plant Theater, Bellevue, City Halls, Draper Park, Galena Historic Park, Senior Center, Smithfields, Deep Mountain, South Fork, and Suncrest would be our priority ones. Priority two, Akagi, fire stations, Ambercrest, Apple Orchard, Auburn Fields. I don't need to read them all. Basically all the neighborhood parks and the pocket parks would be priority two. Then priority three would be park strips, which would basically be kept alive in a dormant state. So if we get to that. But then we have to be prepared and get the calls in. Why are the parks a little yellow or crusty or why are the park strips looking yellow. We need to be prepared with our company line, so to speak. Okay, thank you, Rhett. So I think we can, well, that's what we're trying to do as staff to reduce our watering amount. I think we can push the messaging out to encourage people to follow the Jordan Valley recommendations. turn on the sprinklers that type of thing but we'll keep you posted as you know hopefully we'll continue we'll have a coolish May it looks like we're still only supposed to be in the 70s next week and so and then hopefully a cooler summer would be really helpful but we'll keep you posted. Do you want to address the splash pad at all? Oh yeah please do. Well I only ask because it's could affect our hiring needs, which we're currently recruiting for right now. But remember, in 21, when we were in this kind of same situation, we went to a four-day week. We stayed on that for three years. We heard all the people wanting to go back to a full schedule. So last year, we operated seven days a week all season. Like Mayor said, there are some of those people that think the drought's a hoax. A lot of them. But we hear both ways. Depending on the message we want to put out or how we want to lead out of the city, this flashback could be a big issue. I think we should go back to four days max. You don't have little kids. I say water less and keep the thing open. But I'm just saying, there are definitely people for whom that's a high priority. I mean, there is some water loss every day. I mean, we recirculate. The vast majority of the water did get all the null on the water flow. He ran June, July, and August on average. Now, this is all culinary, so not just what it takes to fill, but the restroom, the toilet, the drinking fountains, all culinary. We're about 5,000 gallons a day, a little over 5,000, which comparatively for the water that runs through there on a 10-hour day use. Pretty good. Pretty small. That's splashing. That's evaporation splashing outside the channels. goes home with towels and swimsuits and any restroom. That's also flushing the filters and the holding tanks. It's not bad. It does do a very good job. But it is about 5,000 gallons a day, of course. There's something in between 7 and 4. Seems like a good idea to cut something out. But I do remember 4 was For the people that go, that was a lot of days not open. But I love water. So when we had to draft the form and cut back, we weren't open Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. And then we're open Wednesday through Saturday for those four days. And on the counts we did in 2025, those are the three least used days, ironically. Sunday first, then Tuesday, and then Monday. There's not a huge variation. Starts at 7 a.m.? No, 10 a.m. At 10, I was like, wow, that's early. I don't like it there at 7 a.m. 10 a.m. Thanks, Rhett. If you have time, get this closed. Can I answer really quick on the water? And I don't know who this is. But at the League of Cities and Towns, a bunch of the people from like Lehigh and Cedar Hills and all these places were talking about how in their city water now, there's like an app. And so Catherine Dolan can go and see my usage. And they were all like comparing and like, oh, I've watered less than you and sort of bragging about it. And I do feel like that. I don't know what WaterPro has. We don't have that. We want to get that, but we don't have it. But Water Pro serves about two-thirds of the city. I don't think Water Pro has it. I know Water Pro. We don't have it either. We have seen just this last two years put in brand new media. So we want to do that, but we just haven't done it yet. Okay. seems like a great way, just because I think, like, I don't have a lot of water awareness. My husband maybe cares more about the green lawn than I do, right? And then I could be like, hey, turn off those sprinklers. And it's good for leak detection, too. Yes, that's what they were talking about. All right, thank you. All right, motion for a closed session to talk about litigation. So moved. Motion by Tasha. Second? Second. Second by Catherine. Any discussion? Tasha, do you vote? Yes. Catherine? Yes. Brad, are you still with us? Yes, I am. I vote yes. Thank you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to call our meeting to order. Welcome those of you that are here in attendance. And we'd like to start our meeting off with the Pledge of Allegiance, which will be done by Captain Evans from our police department. Come on up, sir. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Captain Evans. All right, next. The next item on our agenda are some oaths of office for some Draper City Police Department master officers. So I'm going to turn the time over to our police chief, Mr. Rich Ferguson. Go ahead, sir. Thank you, Mayor and Council. It's an honor to be with you tonight and present to you our two newest master officers. Since we started the career series, about a little over a year ago, we've advanced 18 of our officers through to the rank of master officer. So tonight, Robert Barlow and Devin Sorenson, if they want to come up. about each of these individuals. Okay. You're good right there. All right. First is Master Officer Barlow. Robert began his career December 1, 2008, with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office as a correctional officer. In 2010, he joined the Lubbock, Texas Sheriff's Department also as a correctional officer, and at that time he served as a hostage negotiator in Lubbock, Texas, with over 80 call-outs, all successful, I'm told, correct? Which is pretty remarkable. When he moved back to Utah, it's September 1st, 2015, he joined the Draper Police Department. As a Draper police officer, he served as a canine officer. He was the handler of one of our canines who was passed named Judge. He also has served as a defensive tactics instructor in the apartment. He currently is on our peer support team, and he's one of our traffic officers. So slow down in those school zones and put the phones down, or you might meet Robert in person. In his free time, he enjoys watching his two children, Daxton, 10, and Liam, 8, play competitive sports, and he's joined tonight by his girlfriend, Rachel. Thank you. Master Officer Devin Sorenson. Devin has 14 years of law enforcement experience, began his career in 2011 working as a corrections officer at Salt Lake County Jail. In May of 2019, he joined the Draper Police Department. Inside the Draper Police Department, he has several specialties, which include he's a drone operator, member of our peer support team, a field training officer, de-escalation instructor, a member of our awards committee, and a member of the state of Utah's critical incident stress management team. He is currently a member of our COP team, which we started two and a half years ago and is scheduled to rotate out back to patrol, has done a very successful term as a COP officer. Devin has two children, a 15-year-old daughter and a 12-year-old son who could not also be with us here tonight, and is joined by his girlfriend, Georgina. who is supporting him here tonight. I give to you our two newest master officers. Thank you. Come on over here, guys, and take the oath. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you for your good service to us over many years for both of you. We appreciate it very much. Next item on our agenda is an opportunity for general public comment. We only have one public hearing on our agenda this evening. It's the last item. It's an item regarding local consent for a special use license. If you're here for that public hearing, and you want to make a comment, I ask that you wait until that, I call that item. But if you have a general public comment, I'll be happy to have you come up. The first one I've got is Joyce, is it Joyce Walker? Yes, Joyce P. Walker. Are we related? Come on up to the stand here. You never know. Our rules are, if you haven't done it before, the clock's there at three minutes. Once you give us your name and address, it'll start. So go ahead. Very good. Well, good evening, Mayor Walker and council members. I'm Joyce Walker. I am a Sandy City resident, 2486 East Sagalilly Drive. I'm here tonight because I need to officially go on the record in opposition of the potentially pending environmental impact study regarding the extension of Highland Drive over the Dimpledale Regional Park. The Dimpledale Regional Park is 640 acres of wildlife and nature. I'm the president of the Dimpledale Preservation Community, a grassroots organization that was founded 10 years ago when we learned that $4 million of ZAP funds were intended to pave a 10-foot asphalt trail through the length of the park. This would have done great damage. We rallied over 10,000 citizens and convinced Salt Lake County to put that $4 million into softer, better projects, year-round bathrooms, erosion control, etc. Those are all done. At present, members of our Sandy City Council are beginning to advocate... to spend $4.3 million for an environmental impact study to determine the viability of extending Highland Drive over the Dimpledale Regional Park. 7% of that cost would be borne by Draper City and Sandy City equally, coming to $150,500 out of each of our city budgets. I am here to officially say, please do not open up that can of worms. The Dimpledale Park was cobbled together in the 60s with state, federal, and city funds, 640 acres. It is a nature preserve. It has a federal preservation easement. And at the time that UDOT and many of these road plans were done in the 60s, this was the era where people dumped automobiles and refrigerators into any gully or crevice that they could find. We are one of the largest parks, nature preserves, surrounded with an urban setting in the United States. There are over 800 homes that surround this. It is a jewel, it is a gem. We are advocating that it be protected. From the, and I emailed all of you earlier, I'll leave a printout of the few pages with your recorder, but from the 2025 updated master plan for the dimpledale park i was uh... on that steering committee the master plan strongly advocates for limiting any future development that involves the extension of any roads or over or through dimpledale regional park such extensions would not only compromise the parks of the visual historic and environmental character but also necessitate significant alterations to its infrastructure. Thank you for your time. I would be happy to meet with any of you with large maps and go over further information. Thank you. Next I have Mr. Matt Witt. Come on up, sir. Put on my glasses so I can see my notes. My name's Matt Witt. I've been a Draper homeowner for 25 years. Give us your address, please. Oh, sorry. I'm currently on 14318 Draper Hill Drive. Previous to that, I was on Arrow Creek Drive for 18 years. I've been on Draper Hill in seven years. Our kids have gone to Ocala, Channing Hall, Draper Park Middle, Summit, Corner Canyon. So we've done the works here in Draper. We love it. Very happy to be here. Grateful for your service as well. Thank you for all that you do. I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH THANKS. I'M ON THE DRAPER HILLSIDE HOA BOARD AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO DISCUSS. A COUPLE THINGS I GUESS RECENTLY THAT HAVE HAPPENED. ONE IS THE SNOWPLOW OR I'M SORRY NOT THE SNOWPLOW, THE RECYCLE AND THE TRASH CHANGE THAT WENT OVER TO ACE CONSTRUCTION OR ACE WHATEVER. Our cost as an HOA went from $1,300 a month with you guys, I think, to $3,300 a month with them overnight. So it was a $2,000 hit per month, $24,000 a year to the HOA overnight. I'm not really here to advocate for me. Frankly, my wife and I can afford it, but we have a lot of people in the HOA who can't afford that kind of hit. And I don't know how you'll report back to me, but there's no backup in our HOA in that circle. So I heard that was one of the reasons why they did what they did is that the trucks had to back up, but they don't have to back up in our oval. And so it shouldn't be a problem for Draper City to take that back over and not contract it out to ACE. And that's for the first thing. The second thing is snow plows. I realize that we are an HOA, and in theory that is supposed to be private, but our road is open. It's open to everybody. Anybody can drive it. Anybody can walk it. It's not really a closed-off neighborhood. And with the 90 units that we have, we pay probably more in taxes per square foot of road in front of those 90 units than probably 95% of the people in Draper, if that makes sense, because it's condensed and... We're all still paying taxes, and it's a small road. And so I'm just wondering if there's anything to be done on those two issues, really, the snow plows plowing our neighborhood in the wintertime and possibly Draper City taking back over the trash and recycle from contracting it out. So I think that's all I have. So I'm 30 seconds early. So thank you for your... Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else that would like to address the council in general public comment this evening? All right. Seeing no further public comment, I'll close public comment for item four and move to item five. Item five is approval of the minutes of the April 7th, 2026 city council meeting minutes. Item five B. is approval of Resolution 2618. It's a resolution appointing Ken Brown to serve as a member of the Draper City Parks, Trails, and Recreation Committee. I'm sorry. Did I say Ken? Yeah. Kerry. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to motion to approve consent calendar. Motion to approve by Ms. Lowry. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Ms. Johnson. Is there any further discussion? All right. Seeing Natasha, how do you vote? Yes. Ren? Yes. Catherine? Yes. We don't have Fred, do we? No. All right. Items are approved unanimously three to zero with the quorum present. Item six is the last item on our agenda. It's also a public hearing item. It's a public hearing regarding the providing of local consent for a special use permit for W-8 Distributing Inc. DBA, Jade Bloom. And we'll have a staff report by Travis. Come on up, Travis. Okay, special use permit for industrial or manufacturing use for WD Distributing doing business as Jade Bloom. Okay, here are the details. So this special use permit, as I said, allows for the storage and use of alcohol in the manufacturing process. So they're looking to make sprays, perfumes, stuff like that. They're at 357 West, Life Science Way, Suite 600. Here are the distance requirements in our code, so they have to be 300 feet away from the nearest community location measured by shortest pedestrian route, and that's the community locations or schools, churches, public libraries, public playgrounds and parks. And they are well over 300 feet away from the nearest church following this shortest pedestrian route. More than 2000 feet away. TO PROVIDE LOCAL CONSENT OR DENY, AND THEIR CODE SAYS WE CANNOT RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS THAT WE GRANT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR TRAVIS? I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS ALCOHOL IS NOT REALLY ANYTHING THAT A PERSON WOULD WANT TO CONSUME, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S... NO. OKAY. YEAH, ALL FOR MANUFACTURING. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? All right, this is a public hearing. Is there any from the public that would like to address the council on item 6A, local consent for a special use room for W.A. Distributing Inc. DBA, Jade Bloom? All right, seeing no public comment, I'll close the public comment period. Is the applicant here? You don't have to address us. If you want to, you can. It's up to you. Come on up to the mic if you want to. Just give us your name and address. Your company's fine. 357 West, Life Science Way, Draper, Utah. What's your name? Taylor Wimberly. Go ahead. And it's, we're not making it so that people can drink it. I just wanted to make that clear. It's just for rim sprays. All right, thank you. All right, council members. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve item 6A. All right, motion by Tasha to approve. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Bryn. All right, any further discussion? Ms. Yung and Tasha, how do you vote? Yes. Bryn? Yes. Catherine? Yes. Items approved unanimously, three to zero. That takes us to item seven, unless there are council manager issues that we didn't get to in our previous meeting. I would just like to speak to Chief Smith. I was able to attend the second half of your fire, wild urban interface. meeting the other day and I thought it was extremely well done. It was pretty much a packed room when I came in and I thought residents were very receptive to what you presented. I also attended a community event where there were some members of the fire department who participated and I passed out some of our emergency guides, and they were very well received by the public. They wanted more. They were very happy to learn about emergency preparedness, especially it was up on South Mountain, so especially in that area. So appreciate your department's willingness to help out the community and pass on that important information to them. Anybody else? This might be a good topic for Mimi to cover in an upcoming newsletter. We had a, well, just report, we had a good League of Cities and Towns conference last week in St. George. Myself, Catherine, Wren, Kelly, and Mike. It was good. It was well done, well received. I think it was the largest, most attended league conference ever, so we were excited about that. So lots of new members, lots of good topics. They were discussed, and the league was doing well, and it was a good meeting. So does anybody have anything else? Is there a motion to adjourn? So moved. Motion by Bren to adjourn. Is there a second? Second. Second by Tasha. All in favor of adjourning, say aye. Aye. Are there any opposed? We stand adjourned.