Good evening and welcome to the May 27th, 2025 study session. We have three presentations this evening. All three are informational only, so there's no request of staff from us, just informational and we can ask questions. Our first item for study session is the 2025 streets capital projects presentation brought to us by our city engineer, Dole Gravenick. Did I say it right? Rebecca? Yes. Yes, thank you. Thank you. I'm just glad that you said that name for me. I'm sure. Okay, are we good? Yep. Okay, well, good evening, everyone. As she said, I'm Dole Gravenick, City Engineer for Castle Pines, and I do have quite a bit to go over tonight. I don't know if it's best to ask questions in the moment or maybe wait until after the presentation. However you guys want to decide, it's fine with me. Let's start for this one. Let's start at the end. Okay, so who has the next slide? Okay, so we're going to start off here talking about the next and final phase of our Monarch Reconstruction Project. This project picks up from where we left off just past Bergenaut from last year and will reconstruct the roadway up to Buffalo Trail. This work continues where we're replacing all of the water infrastructure, the primary water, the secondary water, service water lines. We're widening the road and then rebuilding the road with asphalt and to remove all of that failing concrete pavement out there. This slide pretty much just kind of shows the limits. You've all seen this map before. Next slide. I highlighted the next. So this is the big detour map. We sent this map. This map is on our website. We have communicated. In fact, I think you guys have been sent this map directly. This just shows that we're continuing the same detour route from the intersection of Monarch and Buffalo Trail. We will have another temporary traffic signal installed at that intersection. We got good feedback about that, and that worked really well. We are still detouring traffic down Buffalo Trail. They'll use the roundabout at Subhines Parkway and then head east through another work zone, which we will highlight here in a little bit. Okay, so this is something that you guys have probably heard a little bit about but haven't seen a whole much information on it. During the last six months or so, we have done a lot of work in looking at the intersection of Buffalo Trail and Monarch. One of the things was we got traffic counts. We had to wait until the Monarch was reopened before we could get traffic counts so we could get a true representation. But once that was open, we got new traffic counts. We had our traffic engineer do an analysis to see if that intersection would be traffic warrants. It does not meet traffic warrants. So there's really no conditions where anybody would ever – put a traffic signal in at that intersection. So it doesn't meet the criteria. So then the question is, we all know that the left turn from Buffalo Trail to Northbound Monarch is a difficult, can be a difficult left turn in the morning. So I think that's why you celebrate the temporary traffic signal. So not to just leave the intersection, we started looking at options through there. And part of the analysis that the consultant did is reflected that that left turn from Buffalo to Northbound Monarch is a failing condition of left turn. The amount of time a car has to wait to make that left turn is considered an excessive delay. And we all know, especially during school hours, during school hours that left turn can be very difficult. So we looked at our options and of course the city is no stranger to roundabouts. So we looked at what would a roundabout do for that intersection. You got to say it. Oh, Charlie's doing it. I'm going to point to Toby. I'm sorry. Sorry, Charlie. Okay, so why a roundabout? What are some of the things that a roundabout does? So roundabouts, I mean, this community, there's no stranger to them, so I'm just going to hit it real quick. They have a natural ability to calm traffic. It forces traffic to slow down and get redirected by the roundabout. In fact... You'll see in a second here, we have to do all kinds of analysis. And one of those analysis is called the fastest path. So you have to model the fastest path a vehicle can travel through a roundabout. And then you use the offset to figure out what that speed is. So the roundabout I'm about to show you, the fastest path a car could travel through the roundabout is about 17 or 18 miles an hour. So it has a natural calming effect. It just slows people down and, you know, One of the things we're realizing is that the jagged concrete out there has a natural calming effect to it. It slows people down. But now that we've put new, smooth, quieter asphalt, speeds are picking up a little bit. So to have a natural calming ability from the roundabout offers kind of a secondary benefit. There's also some nuances here I mentioned earlier that you don't quite think about until I'm hopefully pointing them out to you. Folks on Winterberry turning left, turning north, have a difficult left out. And then people a little bit further on Hidden Point who also want to turn left south, those are also difficult left turns during peak periods, you know, for the school zones. The roundabout would give users the opportunity to actually make a right out. and loop through the roundabout and then head back in the opposite direction. Now, I know it's counter because everyone does not want to go backwards a few steps to go forward, but if it saves you 30 seconds or you have a teenage driver and you're saying, hey, just go out to Winterberry and turn right, go to the roundabout, loop around, and go back north, they'll be on their way and they won't have made that more challenging left turn. One of our employees lives at the intersection to the west and she worries her kids about that left turn, so we are sensitive to that. Charlie? You can't see it here as well because of the lighting, but we have laid out the size and scale of the roundabout for the intersection. Now, that's a standard single-lane roundabout, and a lot of this is possible now because the city owns the property there opposite Buffalo Trail. We pushed the roundabout as far away from Buffalo Trail as we could to help facilitate and maintain as much of the landscaping and impact to the west side, especially since that east side is really just kind of prairie and open land. The other thing that that does is it helps us facilitate the construction and phasing of this work. So next slide, Charlie. On your presentation, you can see that we attempted to draw in how we would construct this because one of the things we realized in doing all of our work on Monarch and then managing the detour from last year is that at no point can we close both Buffalo Trail and Lower Monarch. There's no good detour route. I mean, there is, but it's not efficient. It would be very cumbersome. So our criteria were how can we build this while maintaining one of those two roads at all times? So the roundabouts is helpful because we can basically construct everything to the east essentially now. As soon as we start construction, this has not been approved yet, but we're working on it. But in theory, if it gets approved, we'll work and build construction to the east. And then once built and widened out, we will push traffic over there and then set back on the inner half of Buffalo Trail and Monarch and build the inner half of the roundabout. Now, it's not quite that simple, but effectively it is. And that allows us to maintain traffic through there, either on Monarch or Buffalo Trail, which the community is familiar with. This, for what it's worth, this project is being proposed in partnership with the contractor. So they know that we were talking about this and they said, hey, how about we come to you with some solutions? So our contractor has really been helpful in getting us to this far. Just want to give them a shout out. Okay, Charlie. So I mentioned this a moment ago, we have another project occurring on Castle Pines Parkway. And you know, I mean, we all know that the reason why these are both starting at the same time is because of school traffic. So the acceleration we did last fall, where we extended that phase of Monarch, phase one into phase two, allowed us then to not have any more school year impacts for that school year to start the work here coming this Monday, June 2nd. And then for Monarch, the work will extend a little bit into the fall. But for Castle Pines Park and Reconstruction, as you can see, we actually have a fixed completion date in the contract of August 9th. And we actually have an incentive and disincentive clause in the contract that if they do not finish by August 9th, there's a disincentive. And if they finish before that, there's an incentive. So that helps motivate the contractor. So this project extends from Monarch West to Forest Park, and we are going to be reconstructing eastbound only. This project, this whole section was actually scheduled for 2026, but because of the efficiency of Monarch and some of the bid savings, And we realized that there was no waterline work required on this half of Castle Plains Parkway. So it's really just roadway reconstruction. So we were actually able to use our on-call engineer and do a pretty quick design in just about eight weeks, get this thing advertised. And now I just spent the afternoon with them looking at some phasing. And we plan to start this work June 2nd. Charlie, next slide. So like a lot of work, there's some traffic impacts. So first of all, we are going to be closing access to Oxford at Castle Pines Parkway. So those users, as we've been messaging, communicating in all of our communications, will have to go to the other Oxford entrance south of Castle Pines Parkway on Monarch. Some of them may already do it that come perhaps from east. of Monarch, but for those that don't, they'll now need to go south on Monarch and then take that Oxford exit access. Charlie? Okay, so this is one of those things where it doesn't quite make sense until we start to look at it. We realized when we were laying this out that We are putting all of the traffic that was going to be on Monarch into this detour route and then sending it on Buffalo Trail. Okay, great. However, what happens when you have a vehicle heading westbound on Castle Pines Parkway that wants to make a left turn onto Forest Park? It backs up. We need this, this detour route has to operate efficiently. We can't allow a left turn because there's no left turn lane like there is now for a traffic to get out of traffic and then that flunk. So we looked at this and we said, well, we can't allow left turn traffic to stop because the other thing is that eastbound traffic will be steady because it's our detour route. So in an effort to make this operate smoothly, we are actually prohibiting left turns from Castle Pines Parkway to Forest Park southbound. And they're going to be forced to go up to the roundabout. Again, our roundabout saving us. Roundabout, loop around, slingshot around, and then come back eastbound. And then they'll be able to make a right turn in to Forest Park. The other challenge of this is that those residents coming out of Forest Park will have to make a right turn out only. We're going to completely not barricade, but barrel off that access because we need east and westbound to continue to flow. the Forest Park users will be able to drive up to the intersection and then they'll be able to see the gap and they'll be able to pull into traffic. The unfortunate thing is the most challenging movement of this is the Forest Park people will only be allowed to ride out. So if they want to go back to Buffalo Trail, it's a more circuitous route for them, which is why we recognize this, which is why we are going to go as fast as we possibly can in this project. And that's why we have the fixed completion date. That's why we even send them this incentive contract to motivate them and hold them accountable. So we very much recognize the traffic challenges of this and have done our best to mitigate them. And now, we learned this in Monarch. We constantly monitor. We get feedback. We're reviewing. We're looking at traffic lengths and queues. And we can tweak and modify. But this is our plan for right now, starting on Monday. Charlie, last slide on that one. I also wanted to mention public works has been, you know, we work collectively in all of our projects and had a lot of work on this year. And so we actually have one consultant team managing partnership with all of our projects together. So like, for example, when we're on CPP eastbound and we're just removing concrete, that's not an inspection heavy service that we need a consultant for. But at the same time, We'll be doing Monarch, and we'll be doing buckets one and two work. So we told our consultant team, like, hey, we want you to be very efficient, and we're spreading that over three projects, which helps save a significant amount of money for the city. So that's something we've been planning on for a little while, and it's working out well. It hasn't started yet, but hopefully it works out well. All right, Charlie? Oh, I'm sorry. Questions? Looks like Deborah has her hand up. We'll let her go first. Thanks. It's great to have this detail. I really appreciate it. And I also appreciate the attention to the northern end of town in my district. A couple of questions. My first is, what is the communication that went out to HOAs so far and what is planned? I have a reason for asking that because of things that happened in the summer with HOAs that this is going to impact dramatically. So we have pushed everything out the way our normal methods go with our in-house public information office. Everything's on the website. We have put door hangers. Our contractors have physically hung door hangers on the neighborhood impacted up Hidden Point, up to the Monarch work, because they're impacted because we're going to be working at Hidden Point. And then we put door hangers on the folks that are impacted by the Oxford closure. And then the Forest Park work, we've been in communication with their HOA as well to let them know and to send them to our website. OK. So people who don't like to drive up in my area and don't pay attention to it, there is a community pool that is one of the biggest ones for one of the biggest HOAs in town that's going to be impacted. And I'm a little concerned about cut through traffic as a result. And so the pool is the Bramble Ridge pool. And it covers the entire CPN2 area. So I'm sure I'm speaking Greek to most of council because this is not a familiar circumstance for you. But if you go back to your slide that has Monarch Reconstruction closure and detour map, they're not numbered. You'll see that in order for Winterberry residents who are in that neighborhood to reach the pool and for other people who are down in Bristlecone, they have to go all the way around in a different way to get to the pool, which will put more traffic in the tapestry neighborhood, which is a hill and it's hard to intuitively get around. So what I'd like to ask is for these maps to please be given to all of the HOAs so that they can push them out. And I think that'll just help our communications a little bit better because I anticipate getting some questions about this. And I don't think it's too hard to get these detour maps out to the HOAs. So can we do that? Yes. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I don't share the same concern. I mean, increasing traffic, but you're not having thousands of people over the pool every day. But I do have two questions for you. One is, you mentioned the Winterberry will be making a right to go around the roundabout. Will there be any no left turn sign at Winterberry? That's good. No. Probably because I think And again, we would not require them to make a right out of Winterberry. It's just a suggestion. It's an option for them during peak hour. But during non-peak hour, the left out of Winterberry isn't a problem. Okay. Can I ask you another question here? My second question is you mentioned that CPP would be done by August 9th, but you said Monarch will extend into the fall. I'm more concerned about Monarch traffic backing up once school starts than I am Castle Plains Parkway. So when you say we'll go into the fall, are we talking November fall or September fall? September fall. Now, so let's, so Charlie, would you go back to, let's go back to three, like the fourth, fifth slide. Right there. Go back. Or one more, Charlie, please. Thank you. So, So it's a good question, but the traffic pattern will be different this year because, so we're going to have that orange section closed first from Bergenau to Hidden Point, okay? So what that means is the only traffic coming from the south leg of the Buffalo Trail-Monarch intersection is those folks coming off Hidden Point, which is a fraction of the amount of traffic that used to come from that. So what that means is that we can then get a lot more left turn green time on Buffalo Trail to Northbound Monarch. And there will be a lot less through traffic who needs to go to Hidden Point. So again, we'll be able to get a lot of green time. So that intersection will operate well. And then when we're in our final phase, which would be the fall phase, when we're going from Hidden Point to Buffalo Trail, that section will be closed. We don't even need a traffic signal there. It's just a free right and a left turn. So that'll be almost a free flow operation, which is very efficient. They'll go through the roundabout and they'll be able to operate. So even though it's the fall at school, it should be a very efficient intersection for them to go through. Great explanation. Thank you. Thank you. Great presentation. Thank you so much. You even said it in the very end that we're now doing this in-house, which Seven years ago, I would never have imagined that we would be doing this in-house. Just within seven years, it's pretty amazing, actually, because these are not easy projects. These are large, complex, contemplating a roundabout that we had not even talked about before. I mean, it's pretty amazing. So thank you for all that work. I really do appreciate it. It's definitely noticed. It really is. I do have a couple questions around it, though. And you have two projects here, so I'm going to separate them out. Let's start with the roundabout. Though I see your logic behind it, I hate roundabout communities. Loveland's a great example where you literally go just roundabout, roundabout, roundabout. You're dizzy by the time you get anywhere you go. There's already one above that. Here's two. I hate for that solving all of our problems, although I'm with you with your logic here. I just hate for that to always be our go-to. I think they get irritating after a while. If that's just you're going from roundabout to roundabout to roundabout. Love your logic about speed. That has been a problem for us. And as we've improved our roads, we've just created a speedway through our city. So I love that idea. How will this, you probably anticipated it, how will this affect our morning traffic patterns for our schools? I'm mainly speaking for our parking and so forth as we're trying to get to the schools. And the schools are doing a better job at managing where their cars are going. Will this interrupt any of that? Good question. I don't anticipate that. And one of the things that happens, and we all can appreciate this, is when you're turning left from Buffalo Trail to North Bonneville, and you're in a hurry because, you know, you got to get to that first period. You will sometimes maybe be more aggressive than you should. You may, because you have to look left and then right and then look left and then right. The thing about the roundabout is they're significantly safer. It's not that there are not accidents in roundabouts. There are. But when they do happen, they're less severe because you don't have head-on collisions. You don't have T-bone collisions. You generally have side swiping. So even when there are accidents, they're less severe. So, yes, there's a lot of roundabouts, but there's a reason. But operationally, it helps because now, instead of having to wait for two gaps in traffic on the left turn to Monarch, you only have to make one gap turning right, staying around about a little bit ahead northbound Monarch. So I think it will help traffic operate through there. The modeling says it will be a level of service A for all three legs. Okay. And they're far enough from the school. I don't think it's school-specific. I think it's commuter-specific at that point. It's people who are going from A to B. This is just in that commute for them. I just have to ask because that's been such a nightmare for us. I just have to. Can I follow up with just one short one about the other? And then I'll be done. So the Monarch, I'm so glad we're getting that done because it's been such a problem for us. Signage and communication, I think that's really key for us. I've not been asked about it. Anytime I've not been asked, to me, that scares me that maybe there's not been a lot of communication because usually I get someone to complain or ask me a question. So I'm wondering if, and I've not seen anything on social media, and I'm just a, I watch it a lot, and I've not seen anything out there, and you're starting really soon. So are we tapping into everything? Are we doing everything? I've not seen anything. We've pushed a lot out. We can probably figure out exactly what we've pushed it to. We've pushed a lot of content. And I just mentioned the people that are most impacted by this, we have actually gone to their houses and put door hangers on their doors. Like I said, either they're very, very happy and very quiet or they're not talking. That may be true. What kind of science are we going to have on the ground? So we have our VMS boards out right now. They're notifying people that the work is coming. And then we will have very similar signing to what you saw last year. So we're going to have the barricades up, detour signs. The question of the, you know, the traffic cutting through the community is always, always a challenge. And there's not a great answer because if you want to reduce one access, that affects that community. So the way, you know, we have a lot. So, for example, Monarch last year, A lot of complaints about that because people quickly figured out to do that. So then we had some solutions for that. But really what we did was we continued to optimize the timing of that traffic signal. And we eventually put in that right turn lane that allowed that right turn onto Buffalo Trail. Once we did that, we disproved as much traffic coming through because that intersection operated so well. So we have to, our kind of goal is to optimize everything as much as we can, which is why we're restricting the left turn on the Forest Park. Because if that traffic backs up and people like to say, I'm going to cut through here and cut through here and cut through here. So we have to make the detour route as optimal as possible so that people have no incentive to get off of it. However, the residents know how to get a hold of us. They did all last year. And we will already put no through access, locals only up there. But that only does so much. So there are some more extreme options if we need to. Well, I appreciate it. And I'll be your biggest cheerleader if I have any information. So I'm sure. Sure. Thank you. I have two quick questions. I think they'll both go fast if you don't mind. First, you didn't say anything about Dorian's and Forest Park. Did you do Dorian's and Forest Park? No, we haven't had time yet to do that. Are you going to? Because they are massively impacted. Yeah, we're... We're working on developing them, but we haven't hung them yet. I'll have to get it up on the status list. You're starting this on Monday. Monday. We sent it to Chimacom. We sent it to them to make sure they got distributed. You sent that information to distributors. Go to the website. Let's be honest. Door hangs make a much bigger impact. Those people are massively impacted. I mean, if there's any, I think the two communities that should have been more having first, Oxford and Forsborn. So we got to get Forsborn though. The second thing is on this picture right here, when that last piece from Hidden Point to the Roundabout, we will shut Monarch down, correct? Yes. How long, I guess that's normally what it is. We've just started to get up further. So it's basically the same thing as same things over and over. Okay, thank you. So on Forest Park, when we do the work next year on the other side of the westbound, are they going to run into the same issues? Are we going to have two years in a row where they're not going to? You may not be able to answer my question either. This is just more anticipation of their frustration. trying to think. Well, there's going to be less traffic because you won't have the detour. It would only be local. There's very, like, local. So it's less of an impact. It would be less of an impact. I would need to think here for a second. Because, like, you can, like, you're talking about Forest Park. It's simple when I point it out to you, but it took a lot to get to that logically until you start laying this stuff out and figure this out. Okay. So for those in Forest Park that want to leave Forest Park and go west, what is going to be the recommended way for them to do that? So we have spent quite a bit of time trying to think about that, and there is not a great way. There's not a great way because there isn't really sufficient rooms. Nobody wants them like making any kind of a U-turn on Castle. That's what I'm saying. Correct. Unless there's no U-turn sign, they will be U-turned. Right. And again, you know, traffic engineering anymore is all about peak hour because most of the roadways operate just fine outside of those peak hours. So we specifically are doing this work with no school peak hour, which is pretty major. What that means is that a potential U-turn, if someone wants to do it, they might have gaps in traffic. There's a traffic signal there. It may not be terrible. There's not a great way for them from Forest Park. Now, one option, again, is for us to think through this and be dynamic. We have to kind of figure this out while we're out there, is we could potentially allow... a left out of Forest Park onto westbound CPP. That is a possibility. Now, the problem is, and again, these get complicated, is that then you have now created a gap in your barricades that people who want to turn left from CPP onto Forest Park want to now, well, I'm not going around. I'm going to hop through there, and all of a sudden, they're in the same lane, and we have a problem. So we're going to start with the more conservative, perhaps painful option, and then monitor it, monitor it, monitor it, and we're going to continue to brainstorm ways that we... Maybe what we'll do is we'll try to encourage them in that flyer. We'll tweak it and say, hey, we recommend this for the thing. I also don't know how much traffic normally makes a left out of Forest Park. It may be 100 cars. It could be 10 cars. I don't know. So that's a tough one. Okay. All right. We will monitor it. I think more communication as often as possible in the next week. would be great because we're going to have some very frustrated people, I think, until they understand what's going on and recognize that it's not going to last into November, like some of our other constructions. Correct. And we have been very specific about the longest nights for that one. Okay. Deborah, I think your hand's still up. Yeah, thank you. I did put it up again. I have my second question, but I'd like to follow up and concur with Jeff. I think what we need to perhaps put on the flyer and what we're missing is that if somebody from Forest Park needs to go up towards Rock Canyon, either to get to another location to Highlands Ranch or up Quebec, that they're not going to be able to do that at all because they won't be able to make a left out to go up Buffalo Trail and they won't be able to go right and then left up Monarch. So it'll really impact people in, I think, a bigger way than we realize, because their detour would have been to go left up Monarch. And that's not possible as a cut through. So I would concur that we need to really prioritize this neighborhood. It's like over 200 homes. I think it will matter. And that may be why we're not hearing anything, because they have no idea how they're going to be impacted. But my question. So that's just a concurrence with. that added piece of information. My question is when you go back up to the Monarch Buffalo Trail roundabout, I'd like to plant the seed that what we'd like to make sure not to do is allow for that roundabout to become a cut through to the park at some point when that property is developed and to really keep an eye on that traffic management. because as we see, there's quite the hill there. And so I'd just like you to be thinking about that going forward, how we might manage that because we always end up with a bad hill and icy slide at the bottom of Hidden Point going towards the park. And I think it'll be similar in that spot too. Thank you. Sorry, so my next question, and probably cost prohibitive and would cause traffic to back up, but if we do see that there's a preponderance of people that would like to turn left at a forest park to go west, would there be an opportunity to have a flagger there to allow that to happen? Yes. I'm sure it's expensive. Well, I mean, so is having them have to have a pretty good detour route. And the project will be fast enough. I mean, planning for flagging honors is, you know, we can make that happen if they decide to go through me too. So that's an option. That's an option. Thank you. Okay. Additional questions? Nope. All right. Well, we'll move on to- Yeah, please. Okay, thank you. All right. Charlie, next slide. So this is a brief presentation on some of the Monarch safety improvements we're proposing. Monarch South of CPP. I think you guys have all been sent the drawings that we prepared and the kind of summary. And basically, this is kind of a high-level review of our plan. I don't know if you guys all knew what RRFB stands for. You've heard them referenced, but... Rapid Retainer Slash Beacon. Oh, wow. Now you know. Well, I know, but that's why I put it in there. I was going to reference RRFB. So at these six intersections, we intend to put one set of RFVs generally on the intersection that's towards the school. So in those four-legged intersections, we're putting the one crosswalk on the side of the intersection towards the school. These will be the ones we're used to. They will be activated by a user. We'll spruce up the crosswalks. You guys are used to seeing them, so we're going to add those to this. We're also going to restrike Monarch and narrow the lane widths from 12 feet to 11 feet. That statistically slows traffic down a little bit naturally without actually taking away width or anything like that, especially for the bigger trucks. We will add school flashers. So American Academy, we decided, even though it does not access Monarch, there are enough people that access Monarch from American Academy that that section of roadway actually functions like a school zone. So we're going to treat it like a school zone. There's also some awkward striping that transitions from here a little bit less. So we're going to fix that awkward striping a little bit and get rid of some. There's like a little dead zone we're going to fix through there. I think it's fair to say that this is on the consent calendar for tonight. So if that gets approved, then we'll be all systems go on this. And then we'll look into that this summer as well because we don't have enough going on. So we're going to detour through the detours and the other detours. I take I-25 everywhere. Okay, next slide, Charlie. But this will be done before, sorry. I just included these. These are the slides or the maps that you guys have seen. It just kind of shows what's being added, what's existing. Even though the roadway is black, it's not getting new pavement. It was just done for contrast. And so it's... There's more information available, but you guys all were sent these drawings. So if you have any questions about that. So Charlie, next slide, please. And so that's it for that one. Do we have any questions this one? It will be done quickly. So schedule-wise, RFPs can get built outside of traffic. They'll pull off on the shoulder or whatever they got to do, they can do that. The striping is a quick operation as well. So, I mean, it's something that we will do this summer. We'll still run in session, but we don't expect any kind of real traffic impacts anyway as a result. Jeff, answer my question. It was hidden in plain sight. Okay. Great. All right. Well, thank you for that one. We'll move on to the third one. Okay. So, this project's so big, I went ahead and primarily included... many of the slides that you all have already seen what I presented to you virtually. So this gives us a chance to bring them up again if we need to. Just kind of give some history. Charlie, if you'll go to the next slide, please. You know, we have some examples of why we're improving the interchange. Charlie, next slide. You know, this is the slide that showed the different interchange design types. And, you know, just confirming to you all that You know, other things technically work, but not in the 2050 traffic volume, or they were significantly more expensive. So it isn't like this is the only one that works, but it's the most cost-effective one that handles 2050 traffic volumes. Next slide, Charlie. This is the visual rendering that you got. We had our open house, and our presentation kind of gives an idea. I think it fits well to the area. Charlie, next slide. Just to remind everybody that the amount of environmental elements that we review and identify, and then if there are certain thresholds that we trigger with our impact, we go through that document and mitigate however the case may be. So we look at all elements of a project's impact. And then this project is going to have what's called a categorical exclusion, which just means that the state has the authority to do the clearances, not to go up to Federal Highways or FEMA. Next slide. Okay, you know, nothing's changed here. We are looking to meet kind of a major design milestone this fall. And then, you know, we're still looking to go to construction, you know, middle to late of 2026. And so that's coming up soon. I'm already feeling the pressure. Next slide, please. We talked about phasing. You know, we'll build a new bridge first. Then we'll push traffic over the new bridge. Then we'll remove the old bridge. put a new bridge back, and then we'll do all the crazy kind of weaving tie into the DDI to do that. So it's the same as you guys have seen. Next slide, please. So I know you're only supposed to put like three to four points on a slide, but I just can't help it. So I overloaded the slide. So this is kind of what's happened since we met with you guys virtually. So the project has submitted a system level study. which is the big traffic system analysis of the network and how building or not building this interchange would affect the surrounding traffic volumes and impacts. It's a federal requirement. We've also submitted the travel demand management report, which is a state required process whenever you're touching an interchange. And I'll get more of that in a minute. I already talked about the products of environmental clearance. The SLS, TDM. So the TDM has a goal, and this is a state-required thing. This is not a federal requirement. It's a state-required thing that when you do a major improvement or build a new interchange, they want to see a 3% traffic volume reduction at the ramps. The idea is to take pressure off of the interstate. Their theory is you can't keep widening the interstate, and so to keep all of the interchanges reduced by 3% interchange, you know, is less congested. And you do this by carpooling and riding a bus and riding bikes and that kind of stuff is CDOT strategy. And so we had to go through and do quite a bit of analysis. I gave you some examples there. Carpooling, multimodal, school pool, park and ride, et cetera, to achieve this 3% goal. And then each goal has a certain weight that... Dr. Cobb is a partner in this. They allow you to say, you know, for every 100 people that carpool, that reduces the trips. So you kind of have to make some assumptions. We went through the analysis, and although CDOT's goal is at 3%, we were able to confidently turn in a report that met a 1.8% reduction goal by some of the programs that we could do, primarily through the multimodal bike lane that crosses the interchange, connects Canyonside to Legay. This 1.8% goal just coincidentally is also what Crystal Valley, the big interchange to the south, that's the same goal that they submitted as well as the 1.8%. So, see, that's used to that. It is a variance request. But, you know, if you think about Happy Canyon, it really is more of a rural interchange. It operates more like a rural interchange. There's nothing really close to it. People have to drive a certain distance. It's not like Lincoln 925 where it's highly urbanized. So for us to get even that 1.8% of a goal, I think, for somewhat of a rural interchange is a pretty good, impressive goal. And a lot of it's because of just the extensive trail network that the Canyons has and the Bay has that we're going to need to tie into. Okay, next slide. We're showing, okay, just a couple highlights too is that we're working to also incorporate the entry monument effort and design into the interchange. It would be nice to be able to do final acceptance on that job and have everything be done and look nice at that time not to mobilize back into building entry monuments. So we're looking at what that will look like and incorporate that. You've seen this budget information. This hasn't changed. The big news we had this week is, so we went through, CDOTs, they call it the PDSM, Project Delivery Selection Matrix. And it's a process that allows you to go through and ask a bunch of questions about your project. Does it have a utility? Does it have a railroad challenge? Does it have limited access? Is there minimal detours? And you start to evaluate its criteria. And you... It helps you identify if an alternative delivery method is sufficient for the project. And what I mean by alternative delivery methods are design build, which not many people use anymore, but design build. There is design bid build, which is what we normally do. So we design the job, fully design and put it out on Rocky Mountain BidNet, advertise it, Congress bid it, we select them. And then there's something called CMGC, which is construction manager, general contractor. And CMGC, is when you actually bring a contractor on board during the design process. And the contractor is a partner with you, and they get a design, they get a fee, and they're a partner with you, and they're like, hey, I would not phase it this way. I would do this, this, or this. Or they'll say, you know, these girders, if you actually switch to... this type of girder, you can reduce your width by this much and decrease your cost. And in fact, they're easier to get. And because as designers and engineers, we don't always know this, but there's just no way to keep in touch with all this stuff. But the contractors do. So they're a partner with you through design. And then basically, they get given an opportunity to bid the job. And then you hire an independent cost estimator. And then the two of them kind of negotiate and make sure that they line up. And so... We went through this PDSM. Douglas County was there. CDOT was there. Federal Highways was there. And we requested permission, concurrence, to do a CMGC project from CDOT. And then Wednesday of this week, we got a concurrence from CDOT RTE to go ahead and do a CMGC. So I spent much of my day today reviewing. And Crystal Valley is a CMGC. And so we, because we're sister agencies, they gave us their drafts. I spent much of... my day-to-day changing Castle Rock to Castle Mines. Yeah, that's right. I could have. So we anticipate if I get the RFP out, hopefully maybe next week. And because we need to get that process going so it aligns well with the design process. The industry is really excited about that because they like these. They like to partner with the agencies to do these projects together. It also acts as a bit of a constructability review. You don't get to advertisement and put out these plans that are 600 pages big and then have some major, oh, I didn't think about that. Someone missed this because you have been talking to people that will potentially build it the whole time. So it's you're getting constant feedback about better, more efficient ways to do it. So I would say that, you know, when we were planning this out, it's not that we, we know we can build a job, but this allows us to kind of be like how well an efficient can rebuild it. Next slide, Charlie. I think that's it too. Questions? All right. Deborah, thank you very much. Thanks. Yeah, I hope I can have a little bit of flexibility here because I do the transportation stuff in the sub-regional. The sub-regional forum determines 80% of the funds that come through the Dr. Cog process. And the process involves the elected officials voting on the list. There are a number of changes. that are in the works for how things are done. So we will have two votes that may impact this project. One will, the other may. So I have been speaking with our elected counterparts because they are the voters. They are the ones that make the vote on this. And we want to make sure, and I'm bringing this up to you all because what we want to do with our peers is make sure that Somebody's project doesn't come in and cause a haircut to everybody else. Many of the other towns, if there's a haircut of a few hundred thousand dollars, it doesn't matter because they get the money elsewhere. We can't afford that. So we're making terrific progress. I think we have the votes. But what I'd like to ask you all is rather than going into a meeting and saying we need money because that doesn't get you anywhere. Let your counterparts know when you say what's going on in Castle Pines, you can say we're doing this great interchange. Please emphasize the regional benefit to places like Parker and Castle Rock and traffic reduction in Lone Tree. Because once this interchange is done and the canyons is fully built out so that canyon side goes to Crowfoot Valley Road. This will allow people to go from Parker, south of Parker, Pinery, McCanta and all of those neighborhoods that are off of Crowfoot Valley Road and even the neighborhoods off of Founders to come through a different way. So it'll alleviate traffic on Founders and Castle Rock and alleviate traffic even in Lone Tree and Ridgegate. So my ask to you as my colleagues is to continue to press that message. so that our voters and the people they're talking to in their towns understand how important that vote will be for us. So that's my big comment. And again, it's not helpful to just say we need money. You have to emphasize that regional impact. So thank you for being a part of that team to do that. My other comment is, again, with a lot of transportation work that I do, especially with E-470 board through Dr. Cobb, the CMGC process is the best way to go in my view and a lot of other folks view. So I'm super proud that we've been able to get that process approved and okayed and that we're going to be able to do it that way. I think ultimately that's the best. And then my last comment is, can we please, keep in mind perhaps through our technical counterparts on the county level, what feedback we're getting on the diverging diamond, because I'm hearing a lot with respect to C470 and 85 and how people are having trouble navigating that and whether or not we can incorporate, learn some lessons by incorporating either lighting or making that bike path safer and just to be listening for that. Not questions, more thank yous. The question they ask is really more of my colleagues here. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. So, Troy, can you go back one slide? I think it's one slide. Thank you. So, though, with the reduction goal at 1.8%, will either of the off-ramps at the Abbey Canyon Interchange be metered or stoplighted? Good question. Actually, that's a great question. Yes, northbound is already metered, and southbound will be metered also. You know, CDOT, you know, the interstate is a top priority. And when the average operating speed of I-25 drops below certain thresholds, they turn those meters on. And so, yes, the interstate is now both on ramps to be metered. Thank you. Now, that's in fact the TDM. Okay. The T&M will be separate. That's a requirement from traffic operations. The SLS will be. Okay. My last comment is I just want to thank you. We've already presented a few times. Your content is great. Your delivery is really fantastic. And you have the right perfect amount of detail for me. I honestly think you're a model of what should be presented now to be presented to the council. So I just want to take that. Thank you. Corey. Thank you. Sorry, everyone, for not being there. And thank you, Dole, for this presentation. I have just one question, and then I have a couple quick comments. I'll start with the comments. Those are easier. So for the roundabout at Monarch, I walk up that way a lot and cross over where there's an RFP. And I also just biked up there this weekend coming off of Buffalo onto Monarch, and people are flying. So I think having that roundabout will really help reduce those speeds. coming into kind of more of the more densely populated area and then also getting to the RFP there, which is one of the first ones you get to once you get into the community, like having people already be slower, which would be really nice. And then the thing about the HP interchange I appreciate is I'm on the Parks Commission as a liaison and having the idea that we can combine work with you all with the monument so we can get some cost savings there, I think that would be really great. And then I just want to kind of echo what Deborah said about, I think we really need to emphasize the benefits to other communities about this interchange because it is going to impact and have a great benefit to other communities beyond us. And then the only question is kind of just a terminology definition question is, I have not heard of an environmental justice population. I don't know if you could just tell me what that is. That would be great. On page six of the New York Times. Page six of the New York Times. I can't read it. So it's a federal requirement. And as it's, you know, I'll just read it. Will the project result in disproportionately high and adverse human health or environmental impacts to environmental justice populations? So it's a federal requirement that makes sure that certain groups of population are not disproportionately impacted. So just because property values are lower in a certain area that they get more, you know, interchanges built through their neighborhood and other areas don't. So it just evaluates to make sure that, you know, all of the variables were properly identified and impacted and some areas were avoided, you know, for perhaps political reasons. Perhaps. Thank you. That makes sense. Appreciate that. Right. Do we have additional questions? No. Thank you for asking me. I have a question for you. The roundabout, do we not have to have a vote on, that seems like a big deal, so don't we need to have an actual vote on that? We're going to be coming back with an actual proposal for council's consideration with contracts. Okay. They're starting on Monday. No. Okay. Just wanted to make sure I know. All right, we will be back at 6.30 to begin our regular business meeting. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for the presentations. Quick question, are we staying on the same link for the regular meeting, Charlie? Anyone? Yes, we are. Oh, thank you. That was my question too. I was planning to. Hi, Corey from the internet. I'll see you all in a few minutes. Good evening, Council, citizens, and staff. I call the May 27, 2025 City Council meeting to order at 6.32 p.m. Mayor W, please. Mayor Ingram? Here. Mayor Kurtem-Eubanks? Here. Council Member Mulvey? Here. Council Member Coles, abstinent, excused. Council Member Salazar? Here. Council Member Blum. Present. Council Member Hudson. Here. Madam Mayor, you have a floor. Thank you. Would everyone please rise and join me in the meeting. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Next is the approval of our agenda. There are no objections. The agenda will be approved. Hearing none, the agenda is approved as presented. Moving on to public comment. Public comment is designed for you to share your thoughts and concerns with City Council, but it's not an interactive discussion. If you would like to give public comment regarding our public hearings on tonight's agenda, Please wait until the public comment period during each hearing. If you're attending tonight's meeting virtually and like to give general public comment, please sign up by typing your name and address into the chat feature. If you're attending in person, please sign up on the clipboard in the back of the room. If you called in to tonight's meeting, the clerk will recognize you by the last four digits of your phone number. Clerk Duffy, do we have... No, we do not. Okay, thank you. So no one signed up in the back room. No one online. Just making sure we check all of the items up. That's perfect. All right. Next, we'll go on to the presentation of our minutes. Are there any corrections to the minutes from May 13th, 2025 City Council meeting? Hearing none, the minutes are approved as presented. Moving on to our consent agenda. Tonight on the consent agenda is resolution 2521, which approved change order number one to the professional services agreement between the city and Corp. Copeland Mock Inc. for design services related to phase one Kyling Ridge improvements. So resolution 25-24, which approves the professional services agreement between the city and Deer Creek Forestry LLC. for 2025 mechanical wildfire mitigation work. And last, the resolution 2525, which approves change order number one to professional services agreement between the city and Lighthouse Transportation Group, LLC, for pedestrian signal installation services. We have a motion for the items on consent, please. Madam Mayor, I'd like to remove one of the items from the consent agenda, please. That item is resolution 2521. for discussion? Second. I have a motion and a second. Clerk Duffy, please call the vote. Mr. Duke. Council Member Blue. Aye. Mayor Ingerman. Aye. Council Member Mulvey. Aye. Mayor Kirtan-Eubanks. Aye. Council Member Hudson. Aye. Council Member Salazar. I have a question. We are voting on removing this resolution. And if that is so that I don't, I say no. The motion passes. Thank you. All right. So that we will move that to 8C on our general business. Is that correct? Correct. That is correct. It will be 8C. Okay. All right, may I have a motion for the remainder of the items on consent, please? So moved. Second. The motion is second. Corp W, please call the vote. Council Member Salazar. Aye. Council Member Mulvey. Aye. Council Member Hudson. Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks. Aye. Mayor Eberman. Aye. And Council Member Blue. Yes. The motion passes. All right. Moving on to our general business. Our first item on general business is the Douglas County Sheriff's Office update. And we are joined by Chief White and Deputy Dugan. Welcome. Good evening, everybody. It's such a pleasure and honor to be in front of you again. This will, just a reminder, this will be my last meeting and won't see you back until late September. So... Excited to go out there and learn a little bit more. Tonight, just a few things to discuss. I want to talk about the parking, kind of the big red parking complaint of Browarddale, which is a heavier truck. It's normally parked legally, but it's a larger truck. We have a couple different issues that we're working through. Right now, we're not seeing 1214, which is our parking restrictions. We're working with IT to get that resolved and make sure that that's in there. I've met with Deputy Dugan, and we are going to go out and do some measurements on that truck and kind of see how we can make this within the constraints of the law and continue to be on that. We are not getting voluntary compliance from the owner of that vehicle. We've tried. We've contacted it many times, and it doesn't look like that's going to be happening. We have to do it. So we're going to work through some measurements. We're going to go out and look at the vehicle measurements to see if it fits within that statute. And if it does, then we'll be ticketed, and we'll stop the voluntary compliance if we need to do that. Is there any questions on that? Do you have any questions? Sorry, but where exactly is that? It's Briardale Drive. It's usually on Briardale Drive, but he lives on Briardale Lane, so it's usually parked on the corner west of the city. Just a couple other things. Did you say big truck? Is that like a tow truck? Yeah, it's a toy hauler truck. Yeah, come on. This deputy dude has been dealing with this. Yeah, so I got to go back and talk to him because I need confirmation on what it's used to haul. The last time I talked to him, I know he uses it for his racing vehicles. I just don't know if it's to transport the vehicle itself or if it's just for like tools and it's used basically as like a mobile mechanic. And then with the measurements, I just got to figure out if it's longer than 25 feet, if it's higher than 10 feet to fit within those statutes on the definition of it. And if it's going to fall under a commercial motor vehicle, used for other vehicles, or if it's going to fall under the definition for the proportion, if it's longer than 25 feet and higher than 10 feet. And then I can go based off of that. Thank you. So that's just what I need to solve and we'll go from there. Okay. All right, so good. Any other questions on that? We're going to continue working through that problem. You know, so I log in about once a week and look at, we have an application called Force Metrics, which gives me a snapshot of Castle Pines, and I'm able to just go district or Castle Pines stats, and really not a lot of problems in the last 30 days. We'll give you the stats next month, so you'll see the stats at the next meeting for May. and kind of see where we're at. Again, a lot of traffic stops, a lot of traffic tickets, a lot of welfare checks, not a lot of crime. Our biggest crime, again, was at the Pint. We had another fight there on May 10th over a bar tab not paid by a young lady, and it ended up that somebody got knocked out in front of the bar. An off-duty deputy from, it was in uniform, from the Louisville County Sheriff's Office. Coming through the parking lot to go to the key supers and stopped it and was able to get it under control before we got there. So one suspect was taken into custody and arrested and booked into the Douglas County Jail. That was kind of the biggest item for the day, or for at least the last 30 days that I want to talk about. When we talk about our top offenses, when you look at these, I'm going to give you guys a screenshot of these next month so you can see what I look at. So once a week, I come in on Friday mornings, I look, where's our crime? Where's our trends? What are we looking at? Castle Pines doesn't really fall into that. I kind of told you guys about two months ago that you're very blessed to have the crime problems you have because you really don't have any. And I'm going to kind of go into that in one second. But, you know, in the last 30 days, six assaults in progress. In the last 30 days, six assaults in progress. And that is the highest statistic in violent crime. And that ranges from domestic violence to our folks over at the Pine Bar. And it's relatively a safe bar in a lot of rooms. But when you add alcohol and paid bar caps, you're going to see those things, right? And then harassments. And harassments were set in about the last 30 days, eight. Almost automatically attributed to domestic violence cases. Almost every one of those cases. So we'll take a deep dive in those. That's kind of where we're at. Our identity thefts down, which is a really good number. We're down to two in the last 30 days. We like to see that, that people are getting more educated and protecting themselves a little better. So really good, interesting statistics. When we look at our most active people in our community, I do that every week. The good news for you guys, the most active person in your community is Deputy Duke. And so he pops up at the top of the list. The good news, we don't have really any active folks or people that are returning to the community or people that are causing us problems in our community. It's just our deputies that are out doing our citizen contacts and traffic stops and increased patrol in your city. The busiest days of the week are Tuesday, midday, and Wednesday, midday. I don't know what that is attributable to, but that's when we see that kind of influx in crimes. If I knew, like I said, if I knew, I could tell if there was a full moon on those days. But the snow grill is not really attributed to it, but it's always midday those days. It could just be that's when we're the most active. Just remember that Wednesdays is our overlap day, and so you'll see an influx in at least traffic stops and contacts, and you'll see that Thursdays. I don't know why. He was really busy. I asked him how many tickets he wrote today. He said 17. I've been doing a lot of research as we talked about it and I got two more things to cover but something I kind of put together and I'm really trying to so I did a I pulled our demographics and I pulled it in some of our crime statistics and related to cities locally because it's really hard to find a city that compares to yours with the same demographics it's a unique demographic when you start doing a lot of research because Believe it or not, this is not a predominantly white city. It's got a lot of culture in it. And that's a really good sign because your crime statistics are holding solid. So a chance of being a victim, if you're in the city of Castle Pines, is 1 in 32. That may sound alarming, but you have a chance of, you have 1 in 132 chance of being a victim. In Greenwood Village, which is a population of 15,700, it's one in 14. In Lone Tree, it's one of nine. In Highlands Ranch, it's one of 35. And Parker, which has substantially amount, both Highlands Ranch and Parker have a substantial amount. In Parker, it's one of 49. So one in 135, I'm sorry, 132 is a great number. And I'm going to kind of continue to do this. kind of show you guys where you're at as a community. It's up there when we're looking at the comparisons with similar cities throughout the United States. It's up there right with some of the top cities in comparison to population data and our demographics and our crime statistics. Some crime statistics are just not there, so I'm doing a deeper dive, deeper dive. But I want to try to give you something by the end of the year that says, hey, this is what... a safe city looks like. And these are what the demographics are. And I've done some work with the state demographer, and it's exciting. I like this stuff. And so I'm interested to just kind of present sometime close to the end of the year of why this is a safe city, what makes it a safe city, and how we're keeping it safe. I know that the thing that's most attributed is when you drive through Castle Pines, you see lots of police officers, and that's good and bad. but you see them, and so people like to stay away. Our bad guys don't like to come up here, and we're going to continue enforcing the law as hard as we can with as many tools as we can and just being relentless about that. I always talk to our patrol folks and our traffic guys about relentless pursuit, and that's just not pursuing cars. That's pursuing... our criminal cases. It's just not a patrol cop taking a blue shirt and moving on. It's about that patrol cop going with the extra distance to make sure that our victims matter, our victims count. So with that said, two more exciting things and we're done. We'll let Devin do and talk a little bit about something. And then we brought the car tonight. I'm going to host the car. So when he's done, we'll take a step out if you guys want to take a quick look at it. Do you have any questions for me? Do we have any questions? Thank you for coming. Always enjoy seeing you. So bad about the car. I like seeing the car, too. Love toys. A couple questions. First of all, hate bar fights in my city. Don't like that at all. Any advice for us there? Except don't drink? No, you know, I think that we're starting to see that kind of pattern of behavior. I think what we're going to do is just start doing on our end. is having more English patrols, more walk-throughs of those bars, and making sure that we have some presence. So far, the bar's been good to us, but we're going to continue to have success. And I don't think they'll resist that, but we want to try to make sure we have a presence there. We're not scaring our customers away at the same time. But, hey, we're moving. especially when it starts getting a little darker a little later in the night that we have that. We're here, knock it off, play right. Hopefully these are two really big one-offs. It'd be a one-off, but then announce a two-off, and we're going to continue just increasing that presence at that bar, and hopefully that will redirect that. I'm sure they would appreciate that, too, and they want to save place for their customers and so forth. Now it's over time. Lots of kids out of school now. I'm assuming they're out about in the summertime. I'm seeing a lot more teenagers around my house and playing out in the street and riding vehicles probably not safe on the street. What are you guys seeing and what are you guys doing to mitigate what could be... That's what he's here to talk about. That was a cue, huh? It's almost like I set you up. Before you do that, can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Were you driving a marked or unmarked vehicle today? Today, it is, I call it the in-between. Is it the black? Yeah, it's the black SUV. I saw two people pulled over in a truck today, so I was wondering if that was you. It's not that. No, it's a black car with gray graphics on it. I'm not crazy. There is a truck for those, right? Yes, we do have trucks. No, it's not that one. This one's sneaky. Yeah, this one is. No, I did want to talk about, this will be now. seen an increase in juveniles on what they know as an e-bike. Most of them from my contacts with them, I think I've had about six or seven in the past two months, two or three months, have been, they're not e-bikes. They're either a low-power scooter or an e-motorcycle, which is basically just an electric dirt bike. Statute-wise, there's a lot of gray area with it. on what we can do since it's technically an off-highway vehicle. And then we have to look at the battery power of it and how many watts it produces for that to be what it classifies as. I think the limit is 4,476 watts. If it's above that, it's an e-motorcycle. If it's below that, it's a low-power scooter. Basically, the way I look at it is if it doesn't have pedals, it's not an e-bike. because it's not a bike. So I've just been contacting as many as I can see, as many on the street, and letting them know, letting their parents know, because usually they're under 16. So if they're riding any motorcycle on the street, then one, they need the OHP stamp from CSP or not CSP, from state parks, is who gives the OHP stamp. And then it's got to meet the regulations with having mirrors, You know, brake signals, turn signals, headlights, all that stuff to be street legal. And then they need to have a driver's license. They need to have registration and insurance on top of that. And then they need motorcycle endorsement. So there is a lot to get for these e-motorcycles that I'm sure a lot of you guys have seen. I contacted two today and told them that they needed to walk it home or find somebody to bring a truck and load it up. But if I see them on the street, they are getting cited for it. I'm not just saying, oh, no, it's okay. It's not a big deal. Just don't do it again. And they are getting cited for it. And then their parents are getting called and talked to about the importance of it because I don't want them getting hit because there's some of them that are riding without helmets, which they shouldn't be doing in the first place. But, you know, if they get hit by a car and somebody doesn't see them, it's not going to end well. So just know it is being addressed. It is being looked at. Hopefully, I can get with the SROs and have them work on stuff to send out to the parents about these e-bikes that they're being sold that are not bicycles. Love that. So I'm going to work on that this summer with Deputy Reimer and Deputy Peterson. So do you guys have any questions on that? Thank you. I do, and the counselor will as well. So I know you know this, you see it every day, but these youth that are driving these things, I would say are less than safe. I mean, not riding on a street, but also on a sidewalk, not stopping when there is an intersection, just cruising past them. There are several I have had to send on my breaks because of that, just personal. But equally as important, what are you seeing or what are your intentions this summer with juveniles riding golf carts? With golf carts, it's the same thing. It's kind of like there's a lot of gray area. There are some golf carts that are allowed for roadway usage. There just has to be certain limitations on what they have, like the turn signals, errors, and stuff like that, and then being plated. I don't see a whole lot of golf carts besides on Castle Pines Parkway, which they're usually just crossing Castle Pines Parkway to get to the golf course racing, which is legal to do. They are allowed across the street. but it's a lot of gray area with off-highway view. I will tell you, pick any day in the afternoon and go to the Daniels Gate pool. There are kids with golf carts there. Perfect. That's good to know because I haven't had any complaints off Daniels Gate. I do. I do. And thank you for asking the question. I want to share with the chief that thank you for paying attention to the non-combustion engine vehicles that people are using because they do use them from homes on streets and then to connect from a trail to a street to a park. The place we see them up north, is in the vicinity of Coyote Ridge Park, most often down the hill on Serena. And then sometimes they'll come through underneath from Winterberry, but it'll be in the Serena, Hidden Point, Coyote Ridge Park area, which you already patrol plenty because I see you there and thank you. But the Daniels Gate Pool is on Daniels Gate Road. The parking lot there is private. So when the golf cart is parked there, the board members cannot do much about it except to get it moved, but then it has to get moved away. So the problem we've had at the pool is that you have to try to catch the kid driving the cart or even parents driving the cart on the road towards the pool. The other place we see it is you mentioned that you can, cross Glen Oaks to go from one part of the golf course to the other. But if you're going from Greenbrier and the Brier neighborhoods across Monarch to the golf course, that's extremely dangerous because it's downhill with limited sight distance. And I've encountered adults with children at that spot. So those are the spots that I see them. Thank you. Chris, for mentioning it, too. I appreciate it. And thank you for your report. Do we have any additional questions? Just one last thing there. And Debbie, I can tell you, not from experience with me, but seeing, you'll have these parents driving these golf carts to the pool, et cetera, with a Bud Lightner hand driving down Monarch. So I know if you saw that. That's good to know. Yeah, I see it all the time. And it's frustrating. And then when we have events at Coyote Ridge Park, they fly down Serena. It's a concern. And people hang off the back, John Elway style, which you'd think they'd get the message. Too soon, too soon. Okay. All right. Thank you, gentlemen, for your report this evening. We really appreciate it, and we will see you next time. All right. We are going to move on to our next item. Oh, sorry. No, we can take a five-minute break, so we'll come back at 7.05. You got to just drive around town, and you'll see it. Did you get to see those now? Not that I'm there. All right, we are back. Thank you, everyone. So our next item on our general business is the public hearing for Resolution 25-22, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, amending the 2024 budget and approving a supplemental appropriation in the amount and for the purposes, as said... for the 2024 budget year. I'll open the public hearing at 7.05 p.m. Our staff presentation will be given by a finance director, Mike Marina. So I will go ahead and turn it over to you, Mike. Good evening, Madam Council. Glad to be here and presenting these two budget amendments. The first one is regarding amending the 2024 budget. And then the next one, which I'll talk about during that public hearing, but that's to amend the 2025 budget. The 2020, amending the 24 budget, that's doing some cleanup work. One of the revisions is the building permits. There was more activity with the building permits, and therefore we paid our building department that additional amount that you see in here, about $350,000. On the other side, though, the revenue is also more more than that. So through the revision, it's revenue neutral or budget neutral, increasing the 24 budget by 350,000 and then increasing revenue by 350,000 as well. So it's budget neutral. The other part is we budgeted 68,000 in North Pine Vista's O&M fund. You may recall when we did the 2025 budget that that would be zeroed out. because we would have used all of the funds that were transferred from the metro district to the city to take over the maintenance in that district. And we did receive a little bit more in 2024. And on expenditures, we estimated when we did the 2024 budget, it turns out we were able to up that to $169,500 that we needed. to complete all the maintenance using those funds that we received from the district, I think a couple of years ago. So that is the 2024 budget amendment, just to make sure we had those funds budgeted for compliance with the charter. All right. Council, at this time, it's time for... Our questions, just a reminder, just hold your debate or comments until we get to that section of the hearing. So, do you have any questions for Mr. Littleton this evening? All right, seeing none, then I will open the public comment at 7.08 p.m. If you'd like to give virtual public comment on Resolution 25-22, please use the chat feature to sign up with your name and address. If you're attending in person and would like to give public comment, please sign up on the clipboard in the back of the room. When the clerk calls your name, you'll start with your name and address for the record. Individuals have a three-minute limit, and persons speaking on behalf of the group have a five-minute limit. Group W, do we have anyone signed up? We do not have anyone signed up online or in person, and no one has called in. All right. We'll close the public comment period for 7.08 p.m. May I have a motion to begin the discussion, please? I move to approve Resolution No. 2522, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, amending the 2024 budget and approving a supplemental preparation in the amount and for the purposes set forth below the 2024 budget year. Second. I have a motion and a second. Council Member Lewis, since you gave the motion, do you have any further comments? No, just this is a typical cleanup, and I'm sure it looks a little weird to me, and it makes sense, and it's something we need to do, so we should do it. Any additional comments? Council Member Mulvey? Yeah, thank you. Do we know how many mills of the 58 or so that Castle Valley has to pay? Is the 169, is it like five mils or something? Okay, well, since that's not possible to answer, I don't know if you can hear me, but my calculation was that it was about five mils and I would like residents to know that of their 50 plus mils that they're paying in the Castle Valley, neighborhood, the North Pines Vista Metro District, that the city is only using a small portion of that. That's what I'd like to share. And I think some of our council members already know that. But in case you didn't, I think it's important that they know where their taxes are going and not going. This budget revision is money that was transferred from the metro district to the city several years ago. The revenue that's received from the mill levy approval back in 23 for 2024's budget, that goes into the Parks and Recreation Fund now as the 12 mills. So I'm not sure I understood the question, but this revision is transfer of funds that they sent that they still had on the end as a fund balance. Oh, I see. Thank you for clarifying that. Perhaps I should have asked it as a clarifying question. So why was it not paid previously? Was there just an accounting quirk there? It was as they were cleaning up their their year end through their audit. And that's the 27,000 that you see on the revenue side was just funds that they still had left over. They had transferred over. I don't remember the exact total because it was, I think, 2022, but we were gradually spending that down over the years. And 24 was the last year that we finished using those proceeds that we received. Okay. Thank you. And then my other question is that this would, would this be available then to cover, things like the RRFBs or the sprinkler problems and things like that? If it's parks related, yes. The RRFBs are street related, so that would be fun. Thank you. Additional comments? All right. Third time, you please call it up. Mayor Kershom, you thanks. Yes. Council Member Hudson? Yes. Council Member Salazar? Yes. Mayor Ingerman? Yes. Council Member Bloom? Yes. Council Member Mulvey? Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. I'll close the public hearing at 7.12 p.m. Next is our public hearing for Resolution 2523, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, amending the 2025 budget and approving a supplemental appropriation in the amount and for the purposes as set forth below for the 2025 budget year. Open the public hearing at 7.13 p.m. and our presentation will be given by Director Farina. All right, thank you. This is to amend the 2025 budget. It's typical to come to you about this time as we're closing out 24 to see what projects are still left to be finished in 2025. So part of this budget request or amendment is to carry over the funds that were unspent in 24 into 2025. Another part is, and during the study session, you heard the city engineer explain some of these projects and we are asking for appropriation for those projects as well. A lot of it comes from reallocation of a project that had savings in 2024. Now we can move up a project, I think you heard in the study session, from 2026 into 2025 and complete that. And another thing was savings from participation with the Caspines North Metro District. with their water line, that was a savings as well. So in the end, these divisions are budget neutral. You saw on the presentation that the city engineer presented today, the ending fund balance for the capital improvement fund all the way out to 2029, it's all positive throughout all those years. And I believe it doesn't dip below 1.6 million as an ending fund balance. So as we're planning, capital improvements fund, we're always making sure that there's going to be a fund balance left in that fund. So I'll just go through each of these. But the main reason is, is it's either a carryover or there was a savings or transfer from a project in 26 moved to 25 because the funds were available or are available. And the other one is in the Parks and Recreation Fund, we talked about and you approved a contract last year for wildfire mitigation. It was presented as a multiple year project. But then city council said, no, let's just get this done and do it. So this is just to move those funds from 24 into 25 to continue on that project. There was additional work that needed to be done. So you also approved a contract tonight on the consent agenda. I think it was about 64,000. That's also included in this 418,000 budget amendment for 2025. In the capital improvements fund, there was a carryover of a little over $2 million for the Happy Canyon Interchange. Also a carryover of 774, actually it's 874,900 from the project in 24 for the Cassette Pines East City Limit Gateway. $774,900 is needed to finish that project up in 2025. And also another $100,000 was transferred to the LeGay Roundabout Limitation because with design, it would be $100,000 more. But it's all carryover money from that 2024 project. Eastbound Castle Pines Parkway, Monarch Boulevard to Forest Park, a $2.5 million appropriation request. That all comes from savings from the Monarch Boulevard project in 2024. So we can proceed with this project in 2025 rather than in 2026. So it was moved up as part of the road solutions plan. So it would have been... budgeted and requested in 26. Now we're able to complete it in 25. Buffalo Trail and Monarch Boulevard intersection roundabout, that's $2.5 million requested. That's coming from the Capital Improvement Fund fund balance. So we can definitely afford to complete that. Dole spoke to that project in his presentation in the study session. With that, again, budget neutral. the healthy fund balance left in this capital improvements fund. And we do look at this, not just in the current year, but all the way out through 2029 as we're contemplating future projects. Thank you. All right, Council, as a reminder, this is an opportunity to ask your clarifying questions. Please save your comments and debate for this portion appropriate in the public hearing. Councilor Blu. Thank you, Mayor. The last one, the roundabout, as we talked about at the very tail end of the study session, we're going to have to have a vote on doing it. So should this be delayed until we make a vote on that, or should we do it now? I would say it's okay to go ahead and approve it now, and if city council decides not to move forward with it, and the contract wouldn't get approved, so therefore that money would not be spent. And then we would have to do another adjustment later to take it out. It would just go back into fund balance. It would be unspent and it would go back into fund balance. Okay. Thank you. Hi. Yeah. I've got a question about, I think it's called the East city limit gateway. And what I'm wondering is, so now that we're carrying money over, And we had some in our budget. What is the total budget amount as of if this were to pass the total amount that's being appropriated for that project? So you're talking about how much was budgeted or spent actually in twenty four plus this carry forward amount. Oh, I didn't know that money was spent in twenty four, too. So that's confusing. It was budgeted 2024 and the project started in 24. However, the project was not completed. So those funds are being requested to be carried over in 25 to complete the project. So it's the amount that city council budgeted in 24 would be the total cost of that project, which I don't have that number on the top of my head. So is there an amount that's already budgeted for 25 for this one? that this is getting added to? No, there was no budget in 25 for this. This request is solely to carry over funds to finish the project from 24 into 25. OK. Thank you for helping me understand that better. Right. I don't see any additional questions. All right, I will open the public comment at 7.20 p.m. If you'd like to give public comment virtually for Resolution 25-23, please use the chat feature to sign up with your name and address. And if you're attending in person, if you'd like to give public comment, please sign up in the back of the room on the sub-board. For W, do we have anyone signed up online? Clearly not in the room. No one signed up in person online, and no one has called in. Thank you very much. We will close public comment at 7.21 p.m. Can I have a motion to begin discussion, please? I move to approve resolution number 2523, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado. amending the 2025 budget and approving a supplemental appropriation in the amount and or for the purpose of as set forth below for the 2025 budget year. Second. Sounds like a NASCAR. How about a motion and a second? Council Member Hudson, do you have any further comment or decision? I do just one. You know, I am always just so... amazed by you, Mike. I mean, it's really good to see you, even with your one eye. You know, I'm sorry if you're going through some health issues, but honestly, how you keep all of this straight, I'm literally sitting back amazed that you're able to answer some of the best questions on your feet. I can barely answer most of hers, and she's asking what I had for lunch. But you, you know, you're able to pull numbers out and keep all of these numbers straight. We are in such good hands with you. just thank you for all that you do here and keeping us in line and year to year. All of these seem absolutely appropriate. And thank you for all that you do. I really appreciate it. Additional comments? Yes. Mayor, is it okay if I direct a comment to Mr. Fran? Apparently I didn't get in trouble. Well, I wanted to do it correctly. I didn't know if you'd be able to do that. Apparently I did. We didn't die. I didn't ask me. I answered it. Anyway, Mr. Friedman, so you can move from one fund now from one year to another, right? So you can move from 26 to 25. When you do that move, does it have to be like if it's from general fund to general fund or does it have to be the same fund? Not exactly, but you wouldn't have funds in the general fund, per se, to move from 26 to 25. So we're taking funds that exist in the capital improvement fund, just moving it up a year. So you wouldn't be able to move 25 capital improvement funds to the general fund. I was just asking in theory. It's just what's available in that fund for general funds. Can you explain, like, why not at the end of 24 didn't those fund balances move to 25? Is that, like, that's what I'm a little confused about. Like, we're now in the middle of 25, and now you're moving funds from 24 to 25. I just don't understand. Like, when I say I don't understand, I'm not challenging you. I mean, I don't understand. No, no, as far as the timing goes. The timing, yeah. It just gives me time to close the year, and it usually takes several months to close out the year to where I feel comfortable. with how the audit's going to turn out, what funds we actually have available to carry forward into the following year. Because invoices are still coming from vendors, getting close to the general ledger, but I just want to make sure that we're carrying over not too much or enough. Again, I was just curious. It wasn't challenging. Thank you. All right. Any additional comments? All right. Seeing none, Kurt Duffy, please call the vote. Council Member Bowlby. Aye. Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks. Aye. Council Member Hudson. Aye. Council Member Bluth. Aye. Council Member Salazar. Aye. Mayor Ingerman. Aye. The motion passes. Thank you. I will close the public hearing at 7.25 p.m. We'll move on to Resolution 25-21. which was moved from the consent agenda. The resolution of the City Council of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, approving change order number one to professional services agreement between the City of Castle Pines and Horde Copeland Mock, Inc. for design services related to phase one Coyote Ridge Parking. We had this on consent agenda. So, City Manager Henley. It would be appropriate, I think, to find out what the council member has sent since he also has a question. I think he responded appropriately. Okay. Council member has sent you one too. Sure. And I actually want to direct the question since Chris has reminded me that I must ask if I can direct a question to someone other than, since we're such a full-back house here, to our liaison who sits on that on that board. She is the only elected official there. The others are appointed. And we're talking about some significant dollar amounts here that the commission of the board is recommending that we spend. I'm not sure that we have finalized funding for Soaring Park. So I'd like to know her feelings about some of these dollars. that are being asked for us to spend here, not only for the site survey scheme design, which the schematic, I'm not sure, we've not even designed the park, but also the baseball field. I'd like to get kind of a snapshot, what was in her mind, what happened at the parks board, what were they thinking, that kind of thing before, I mean, I think we should discuss before we start writing a check. I don't like the idea of talking stuff. So, Council Member Hudson, before we get Corey's feedback, just so that we're all on the same page, City Manager Penny, can you just give us a quick overview of what this is in front of us that was on consent, because it's a change order, and where we have been and where we are now with it? I can, Mayor. So very quickly, there was an existing contract with HCM to do what was titled The early phase one action items for Cowder Ridge Park included about $4 million worth of improvements. That contract for final engineering was 557 minus roughly 200, so let's call it 380. And then this change order includes $194,000, $42,765, is for Coyote Ridge Park to evaluate a replacement of the existing vault toilet and adding two vault toilets, one located at the pickleball courts and the other down toward the parking lot. And then for Soaring Hawk Park, which the council had adopted a master plan, the HCM presented to the parks board, that proposal roughly at the 150,000 mark to do as Council Member Hudson just identified the site survey schematic design and ultimately a phasing strategy for the Northwest 25 acres. So that's starting in the Northwest side and moving down and it's identifying all of the amenities that were approved through the master plan project and really is trying to come up with what are those costs and where we don't start. Do you start on the west side? Do you start on some other component of it? But the site survey and schematic design is really what allows HCM and ultimately the Parks Board to look at that phasing strategy. So the request is an additional 194,000 to be amended to that existing contract for Coyote Ridge Park. The total, if council remembers, and it was a fairly lengthy discussion during the budget, There's, and I don't, and our finance director just walked out, but it's roughly $5.5 million was appropriated for 2025. $4 million of that was really for the early action items for Coyote Ridge Phase 1. Crabb and staff had recommended breaking that into three, into four components. Soaring Hawk Park, which was roughly $750. I think Trail Connection at $500. 4 million for the capital projects. And I can't remember what the last component was. Council made the decision just to put that in one line item and lose all the individual components. So this conversation really came from CRAB looking again at the total of funds available for them in 25 and deciding that they wanted to add the ball field improvements because the little league field isn't actually a little league field because it's cut off right now. and it wasn't built with the dugouts and everything else. So it's not actually little league playable. You can play it, but it's got its far left outfield cut off. So they wanted to add that in, use the existing funds for that, and then the vault toilets that I spoke of. And then because they wanted to have some movement on Soaring Flat Park, they made the recommendation and continued to work with HCM over the last several months to come up with this proposal to have them do the schematic phasing. and the site survey. So that hopefully very quickly brings you up to where we are tonight. Thank you. Corey, do you want to give us kind of the- Which is what I was asking for. Yeah, which council members had been asking about? Yes, of course, I'd love to. At our meeting on May 15th, HCM presented on their initial schematics and the advisory board, including myself, as elected, just kind of implementing, making sure it's following the city comprehensive plan, made some recommendations. As Michael mentioned, initially they came to us with their initial design to only do a flush bathroom by the main park. And the board came back and said, you know what, if we are really wanting to improve, get more activities going at the park, could we, instead of using all the money that would go to a flush toilet, break that up and make three vault toilets and then also expand where they're located, right? So being able to get a vault toilet by the pickleball and the main park and by the ball fields. And then like Michael mentioned, making that ball field really a regulation size and what this would do for the city would allow us to host tournaments and bring in hopefully Revenue, which is kind of a focus of the new parks director. I think as well, the pickleball courts could eventually be a potential for competitions and bring in revenue as well. And having toilets at all of these areas if we're going to be bringing in a lot more people into the city is essential because we don't want a couple tournaments going on in the park as well as people just playing in the park and everyone going to one toilet. It just doesn't make sense. So that was the recommendation of why we made the change order or recommended the change order, because we didn't like their initial design. Or after seeing the initial design, we had some additional questions and wanted to make some changes. And so then they came back with this change order to implement the changes that we had discussed in that meeting so that we could eventually be using Crediverse for some more revenue generating activities. And then, of course, you know, being able to move forward with the Soaring Sorry, Hawkins Park, sorry. Because we do want something on the east side that's having, at least that's a place for the east side to start to have a place to gather that we could maybe eventually have some parties in the park and stuff, like things that will start to bring those two sides of the city together. So happy to answer any other questions that you all might have. Thank you. Do we have any additional questions on this one? Council Member Roy. Hi. Yeah, thank you. And Corey, I agree 100% with what you're saying. Parks in my backyard, more or less. And I get it. What concerns me is that when we made our budget, we were pretty specific about separating out the amount of money spent on Soaring Hawk versus Coyote Ridge. And then understanding the boards, the Park and Rec Advisory Board's preferences when it comes to that. So what concerns me about this is that we're now seeing for the first time an appropriation for design of Soaring Hawk. And I have a couple of comments for my colleagues in total. Would the maker of the motion agree to adding to the title Soaring Hawk Park? And I ask that because we no longer have the same kind of indexing and searching capability that we used to. And you've got to go by the title. And I think people would want to be able to know what we're spending on Soaring Hawk Park. This title was a little misleading because once you read into it, you realize there's Soaring Hawk Park expenditures. So before I go further, may I ask if the maker of the motion would agree to that amendment to the title? We don't have a motion on the floor currently. We're just still asking clarifying questions. Oh, right. Sorry about that. Thank you. Councilman Mulvey, I can add to that too. When HCM did their presentation, they did, in the presentation at least, separate. So that, I mean, I can see where you would, if we're going to have separate presentations and separate, I mean, it's a change order overall for how much we're going to allocate to HCM. But like you mentioned, maybe, you know, the public would want to know, especially the east side. which is still part of the mean city, not to call it the east side, they would want to know how much we're investing in and getting them some more amenities. So yeah, I can see that would be probably beneficial. Yeah, because thank you. I completely understand why it's part of HCM's contract. It's really our budget separated them out. We were very, very, that was a big discussion we had. it's going to have to be separately appropriated in the budget anyway. So I think it's important. My second concern has to do with why, and I don't know who the best person to answer this would be and whether or not it came up at PRAB, but why would we be spending money on the Soaring Hawk preliminary design part when we have no money to build that park and we won't for many years based on saving three to $4 million a year and the projected costs being anywhere from 41 million to 70 million. Probably a question for the city manager. No, it's a good question, and I think the answer is that without doing the schematic design and understanding the survey, there is no ability to move forward at all, and we do know that this is going to happen over time. Nobody anticipated that we were going to build 70 acres given on our revenue stream, but to be able to add amenities, and really what this is intended to do is say, look, in these first 25 acres, and I apologize, I can't remember what all the amenities are. Here's how those lay out, and proposed, given our revenue stream, do we start putting in the utilities? Do we start grading the work? Do we take the first, if there was a sledding hill, do we go in there and grade the sledding hill? How do we take the parts and pieces from this larger project? It's no different than, if you think about the road solution, where we have two major roads, we had however many millions the total was, and we chunk it off into parts and... Build it as we go. There's really no difference other than that. And you need to have the site survey and the schematic work to even understand those basic components. And so this for $150,000 gets us that phasing plan for those first 25 acres. Thank you. Did that concept of when this might be built and what value this might have come up in the PRAB meeting, Corey? Yeah, and the nice thing that's been happening with the PREB is we've done a lot of discussion about phasing in of costs. So phasing in the cost for Soaring Hawk, we're also talking about, and maybe we talked about this in previous meetings here, phasing in the cost of the Legay Roundabout. So really trying to be in it. They are like the most, I would say, cost conscious group. They're really mindful of how we're spending money and how the city's spending money. And even with this change order, you know, one of the members was like, I want to make sure, you know, what we already paid for for the current schematic is not being duplicated in the change order. So really making sure that we're being mindful of, you know, we're not paying them for something they already did. So yeah, so to answer your question, like phasing in, like city manager Penny said, phasing in, like what can we start to slowly bring to Soaring Hawk? Because it is going to be a multi-year project and take, you know, multi-millions of dollars. But if we have an idea of the layout, kind of like what Lee's doing with his design, we can start to then see where things go and then be mindful of what, you know, what do we have money for in which year? Maybe can we put in, you know, just like a play area or just a trail area first and then maybe next year additional amenities. That definitely makes sense to me. Do we know how much was spent already? Yes, we do. Like what was, yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's a year... Corey question or Michael question, but that would be my last question. We haven't spent any on the soaring hawk beyond the master plan process that was adopted by the city council. I would add under the heels too. The question was how much? How much? It's a dollar number. If you don't have it, just let us know. It's zero. So nothing was spent at all on Soaring Hawk Park at all, not even for the work that was done so far to make those drawings? So I'll repeat my answer. Nothing has been spent since the master plan adoption process. Okay. I am including in my question the master plan process. So what was spent on that process? I do not know off the top of my head, and I don't believe they broke out Soaring Hawk versus Coyote Ridge Park. It was one contract to run the public process over a year and a half, roughly. Do we have an estimate? Not off the top of my head. If we could have that at separate time, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to kind of keep track of what we're spending. And my rationale is that we've had projects that we planned before that seem to... have lots of money spent towards them and then it didn't materialize or it's, oh, but we're going to do this and oh, but we're going to do that. And I think we'd want to have a clear accounting of that. So I think it'd be helpful for council to have that in the future. Thank you. Council Member Hudson, you have a question? Thank you. I appreciate it, Merrick. Corey, this is probably for you more than, and especially for us, You're in that district too, right? District lawyer? Right. For both of you, I understand the idea of having a baseball field. And I also understand, because I like the economics and economic developments aspect of bringing in leagues and being able to do that. I also understand that I would not want that next to my house. Putting in dugouts, bathrooms, having competitions next to my house doesn't sound like how I want to spend my Saturday afternoon. Was there any conversation among these non-elected board members about how those neighbors might feel about this build next to their homes? Corey. No, but I mean, I need to go back because they, you know, HCM did do a full survey And the survey results I think are actually in this packet, maybe not. Let me just double check. He did a survey to see what the residents of Castle Pines want out of Coyote Park. And so I have to go back and check and see, you know, if that was. Not the neighbors. Well, if they were sent the survey, that includes anyone that answered the survey. Of course, if you choose not to answer the survey, that's on you, right? Even if you're a neighbor. Right. No, no. What I mean is, is what if you remember the initial survey was just asking, what do people want? So was a baseball field something that people wanted? I need to go back and check that to me, you know, to just to confirm that desire changing that. Meaning like we're offering tournaments, is that what you mean by changing it? Well, you've enlarged the bathrooms. I mean, you're you the intent is now to bring in tournaments into a neighborhood. Oh, that's changed. That's not, hey, we'd like more baseball fields so our kids can play on a Saturday afternoon. This is tremendous. You're shaking your head, Tracy, but that's what's changed. And would you want this next to your house? You want this in an enjoyable one? You want this next to you? Let's save this for the comments and let's get the rest of the questions. That was my question. And I haven't had it answered yet. Right, but we're going in circles about residents. Oh, come on, that's not polite to say. Let's keep it above board, please, Madam Mayor. That's out of order. Point of order. Point of order. Point of order. Criticizing somebody is point of order. Inappropriate. You do not have the floor. I made a point of order, and that is the floor. I'm asking the correction. Please state your point. My point is that criticizing people with derogatory language and pejorative comments like going around in circles is not really polite. And that's not how we conduct ourselves here. We made a commitment to one another not to do that. Councilmember, what is your point? I still don't understand. That was my point. Madam Mayor, since it's directed at you, perhaps you can relinquish the chair if you don't wish to rule on it. But I'm asking for the correction. Right now. You asked me a question. I'm trying to answer it. You answered it. Thank you. Your point is not all taken. We're going to move on. So I'm going to ask you guys to save the comments and debate for when we get to comments and debate. And let's get the rest of the clarifying questions out of the way. Mayor Potem, you guys. No, mine's more to comment. Okay. Mine's more to comment, so I will wait. Thank you. Council Member Wood. May I direct the question to Manager Penny, please? Yes. Perfect. Manager Penny, earlier there was a comment suggesting that you are not tracking the money that is being spent in the parks. Is the city tracking that money? Absolutely. Thank you. Point of order. That was a misstatement of the record. Please state your point. I am not clear what you're asking. Council Member Mulvey. That was a misstatement of the record and I ask it to be retracted by the member who stated it. I will not retract it. Mayor, if I just may, I'd attempt to answer Council Member Robinson's question. I have a question. The process going through the... comprehensive public outreach and engagement process resulted in a laundry list of items that resulted in, and I don't have the plan with me, so I apologize, but a whole litany of things. We expanded in Coyote Ridge Park into the 10 acres and there were new amenities added. And there was a laundry list of improvements that were happening in Coyote Ridge. The total was roughly 17 or $18 million as just a general cost estimate. what what parks board did was they had originally brought forward the what we called early action items because similar to the conversation around soaring hawk we knew we weren't going to be able to do all of cavity ridge in one year so so the parks board presented and council approved early action items which total as i said earlier about four million dollars when the council ultimately adopted the budget and had as i explained earlier removed the four individual line items and just had the 5.5 in there. And part of that, I think that the ask was, do you want to do anything different than what you had originally planned? And so the conversation that led to the additional bathrooms and ball fields, those are not new amenities that were added by the parks board. They were things that are already in the adopted master plan that I would describe as fast tracking because they have the additional funds available for them. So the ball field was always planned to be expanded. It just wasn't in the early action item. So I just want to be clear that Parks has not added anything new. And I believe more bathrooms. Again, Council Member Salazar and I would have to go back and look at it. But my recollection was like more bathrooms was the number one requested item at Soaring Hawk Park. But just clarifying, these are things that were on the list that they took from future years and said, let's go ahead and do them in 25. Thank you. OK, so that was my question was the dugout and expansion of that field was part of the comments and feedback from the public. Anyone could have given that that feedback and it was part of the plan for future of it. And because of the change or here is this argument point of order? Is this a question? Moby, you do not have the floor. I made a point of order. That is the floor. Councilmember Mulvey, I am going to finish my question. You do not have the floor. Thank you for rolling on that. the questions that were asked and the change that's being made here, they're just changing the order of when they made this implementation. It isn't any addition to what we originally looked at and what was approved. Okay, thank you. Council Member Salazar, please. I just want to clarify for the record that City Manager Penny, you mentioned bathrooms in Soaring Hawk, sorry, it's bathrooms in Cuddy Ridge, just so you know, we're not just building bathrooms on Soaring Hawk. The other thing is just to clarify for council member Hudson and Mulvey, it's not bathrooms, it's two vault toilets in three locations. So it's really minimal, but the idea was to reduce one, you know, one of the members on the advisory board said there's always a line for the bathroom at Cuddy Ridge. And we don't even, and right now it's just, it's a minimal park. So When we do have, you know, perhaps a bigger baseball field, there might be more people visiting. So wanting to also make it less burdensome for residents to have to walk from the pickleball courts to the main toilet or from the baseball field to the main toilet. So it's just adding minimal toilets, but adding them in more locations. And also, if you think about when we have the party in the park or concert in the park there, that would also alleviate some of the stress of obviously you still have to walk to the different locations, but it would alleviate some of the stress on the one main toilet. So that was there. idea to make it just less burdensome for people to get around if they have to use the facilities mayor pro tim ebanks oh sorry i'm just have my finger on the button to make a motion i'm ready to make it okay i thought you had a question i have another question please I don't know if we are, but thank you for that. First of all, thank you for the clarification there, Corey. And thank you, City Manager Penny. So I do understand that we polled the entire city. That wasn't my question. My question was the neighbors. And let me tell you, I'm 61 years old. Bathrooms are a good thing. Let me tell you, I love bathrooms. Near me, many don't want to stand in line. I'm all for that. That wasn't my question. This was about the neighbors, the people who live right next door. Have we talked to them about this? Are we going to have problems with neighbors who are going to wake up one day and have tournaments in their neighborhood? That was my only question. So no, we have not had that conversation, but I would say that the decision of tournaments and program recreation also hasn't been decided and approved by the council, nor fully discussed and fleshed out by the parks board, if that's really something ultimately that... We want to have, they talked about it, but it's not a foregone conclusion. But no, there's been no conversation. That was my question. Put your finger back on the bottom. Oh, wait, I got another question, please. Council Member Hudson, Council Member Mulvey. Thank you. Well, don't call me out because we don't agree on everything here. I actually, I don't remember who said it, but I became concerned when I heard that the focus of the new parks director is revenue. I know we wanted to bring more people to the area and that residents asked for that. But was this concept of bringing in revenue a part of the conversation on this? Or was that, that's new information for me as a directive to this person? I can answer that. It wasn't a directive. It was just something he shared in his interview that he, in his position currently, you know, explore different ways to bring in revenue for the city since they don't have a lot of sales tax revenue. Sorry, too much medication. So it's not like we're pushing him that way. He is going to come in with a fresh slate and decide based on, you know, recommendations from the advisory board, based on recommendations from the council, based on recommendations. I imagine, you know, polling the city, you know, one of his things he mentioned in his interview as well was just, you know, being really involved in the city and going to events and asking what the city wants. So if that's not a big push, then obviously there's other areas where we can explore. But I think even if we don't go the tournament route, which would be maybe years out anyway, having a regulation size baseball field would help with even just, you know, like council member Hudson said, like people wanting to practice on a field so that they are, you know, having, the right appropriate amount to run to catch a ball. So. For sure. Thank you. I move to approve resolution 25-21, a resolution of the City of Castle Pines, Colorado, approving change order number one to professional services agreement between the City of Castle Pines and Horde Copeland Mott, Inc. for design services related to phase one Coyote Ridge Park improvements and Soaring Hawk Park preliminary designing. Eric, I had additional questions, and I was not afforded the opportunity to ask them. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said you were done. My apologies. Duffy, can you please direct me as to how we need to go back to make sure there are no questions? I'm fine. I just wanted to make... I wasn't... There was no... There was no call for a motion. We will have a motion in a second. So... Mayor, if you'd like to go back and ask questions, you can, or if you want to go and move on to debate, you can do that. All right. Thank you. So we have the motion and a second. So go ahead and begin discussion on this. And if you have any additional clarifying questions for staff, go ahead and ask them during our comments and discussion. Would I be heard first as making the motion, or should we have point of order? You can begin discussion. I'm sorry, point of order, I didn't hear you well. I was just wondering who was being called on for the first part of discussion. Council Member Mulvey, I was calling on you since you gave the motion. Thank you. It's hard to hear sometimes, and I can't be present today, so I appreciate your patience. It's important to me. You know, I really appreciate that Council Member Hudson took this off consent because... There were a lot of questions that I had about the process. And I love when we have a liaison and the liaison comes and has this conversation. And so thank you, Corey, very much. As a resident nearby, I also know that there's some members of the PRAB that are in the neighborhood. So I'm familiar with the changes that we seek to make and the concerns I have have been answered. I'm concerned about how much money we're spending on Soaring Hawk Park preliminarily, but I believe that the council will receive that which was requested about the additional funds. Nobody's challenging whether something's tracked. It's just a matter of information. make my decision. And so with that and appreciating all of the concerns and questions being asked, that is why I'm in support of this as read my motion. Thank you. I did feel really bad if Chris had a question still. I'm going to support this as well. I really like the idea of hearing from the liaison who was there. It's really nice to have the elected, although not duly elected, but the person who represents the council, they're giving kind of a first-person contextual play-by-play of what took place and their impressions. And she gave me a really good snapshot, and I like what I heard. So thank you for your patience. I know I've tested for Chris's and Jeff's here. So thank you for giving me this opportunity and listening a little bit. I know it's a long day for me. So thank you for giving me the time. Thanks. Any additional discussion? Mayor Pro Tem, do you think? Thank you, Mayor. So I want to partially agree with Council Member Hudson about his concerns with Currie Ridge and tournaments. The tournaments in and of themselves don't concern me. If you look at the number of soccer games at Cody Ridge Park, when you have 10, 15 games going on at the same time and hundreds of cars, what would concern me about that is having a baseball tournament and soccer games at the same time. Largely, the cars for soccer games are at Cody Ridge Park, but I do feel that having tournaments or large populations of people playing baseball would line Hidden Point. And that would be my concerned with that. And obviously Saturday is a good day for tournaments and Saturday is a good day for soccer games. So I just, that's all I wanted to say. Any additional Council Member Salazar? Yeah, just two things. Just to comment on Council Member Eubanks. I think that would be something obviously the advisory board can discuss as well as, and as far as, you know, having a really tight tournament or not tournament but you know like activity schedule so that doesn't happen so we're not backing up into the neighborhood and annoying the residents because that's not what we want we want this to be a benefit to the residents i also want to just thank um council member hudson i didn't understand at first why he was taking off consent but i appreciate that we had the opportunity to clarify and ask questions and it's yeah hopefully it's been helpful for everyone so that's all i have additional comments may i be heard once more briefly please Council Member Levy. Thank you. Thank you for addressing that, Council Member Salazar. That is exactly what Council Member Eubanks. And I do apologize because I thought you had previously said your stuff was comment and not question. So I apologize for jumping the gun there. I do appreciate that the PRAB is going to watch this concern. because I think it's premature to know really what the expansion of the fields would bring. My concern was elevated by the comment of this increasing of revenue for tournaments. And so I think we can all pay attention to that as it comes forward, because I don't think the bringing of big tournaments to that park was envisioned, but it's still something that can be discussed and developed. So thank you again for that. Any additional comments? Seeing none, Clerk Duffy, please call the vote. Council Member Hudson. Yes. Mayor Ingerman. Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Eubanks. Yes. Council Member Blue. Yes. Council Member Salazar. Yes. And Council Member Mulvey. Yes. The motion passes. Thank you. All right, we will move on to comments and reports. City Manager Penny, do you have anything to report at this stage? Mayor, I just have one thing. Jeff Garcia, the county attorney, did confirm that he will be presenting to the council on June 10th at 6.30 p.m. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we'll go ahead and start with Council Member and Member reports with those of you that are online. So Council Member Salazar, I'll start with you. I just have one thing to add. Sorry, there's been so much discussion about the Parks and Recreation, but I just wanted to add one activity. On May the 19th, the Parks Board came together to start to do some naming of all our trails and how we concluded our trail naming conversation was just identifying that we have 35 segments of trail and then naming will continue it a further, our future, sorry, future, event or future meeting, but it's progress. We're able to now see all the trails that we have that do need names and it was really beneficial and well-organized meeting. So that's what I have. Thank you. Council Member Mulvey. Yeah, a couple of things. I wanted to just reiterate our partnership as colleagues to emphasize the regional benefit of the Happy Canyon Interchange whenever you're talking to somebody. until we can have those couple of votes, you never know what's gonna happen. I'd also like to ask staff, please, to take an observation of the signs by the apartments, the two new multifamily developments. They have extremely large signs within the boundaries of our city. They're facing, They're facing I-25, but one of them is like 50 feet. And I don't think that's within our sign code. And it really may impact what our city is perceived as. So I'd like to see if they are compliant there. Each of the two developments has one. My next comment is a concern about A comment that was made and it may have been a misspeak. I kind of hope it was. So I'd like to have us all think about whether or not we're focusing equally on each side of our city. I was at a meeting where it was stated by a member of our body that the main commercial area of the city was going to be the west side or rather the east side. I'm assuming, giving benefit of the doubt that that wasn't the case, but I'd like to make sure that we're all on the same page there. All parts of our city and all parts of the commercial area are equally important. And I don't want us to be starting to think about one being more important to the other than the other. And, you know, when we're out there communicating with people, our words really have impact. So I hope that we're on the same page there. If we're not, somebody let me know. so that we can adjust our communication accordingly or have the right discussion. And I'm not going to go into things that I've done this time. I think we've had a long enough meeting and my puppy's clawing. Thank you, Council Member Hudson. Thank you, Mary. I had the pleasure of watching Council Member Salazar being sworn in on the Cherry Creek Water Basin Board. It was a thrill to watch her take that leap. I have to say that is probably the second artist behind Dr. Cog of all the boards that I've ever worked on. It has the most engineering, the most chemistry. It's truly jumping into the deep pool every time you have to get a packet and start digging through that 40 pages. So I congratulate her on doing that and taking it on. It was a thrill to watch her be sworn in. They gave me a great plaque as I exited there. Just such a great, great board. The Parker Mayor, Joshua, he does such a great job. So congratulations, Councilwoman, you'll do a great job. Also attended the CML's third district meeting. They were so great. We talked about this in all of our cities. So I was able to talk about the interchange, the work we've been doing on the zip codes. I'll get to that in a second. And there's just a lot of excitement about what's happening in this region in particular and what we're doing in the legislature and what we're doing with local control and protecting local control. So I'm really looking forward to the conference with CML. And they were just so awesome to be there. And the last thing, Zipka, I want to congratulate the mayor. I saw and talked to Congressman Bogart. about the work that was being done. I'm glad that got through the committee. They're very complimentary of their work with you and your work with the national, on the national level with that. Also talk to the GIVA staff. They're also very, very pleased. They're very helpful. So congratulations on the work that you're doing with that. I hope one day I'll be able to pull up a website and not have to write Castle Put-ins instead of Castle Rock, which I did about 12 times today. So that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Grisham-Lewix. Thank you, Mayor. I just have one thing. Councilmember Mulvey and I both received an email from a youth in, well, we live in Castle Pines. I actually like to read this letter really quickly. Hi, my name is Reece Terlisner. I'm a 12-year-old working towards Eagle Scout. and I live in Hidden Point. We go down Monarch every day when my parents take me to school. Often I will see deer and elk on the side of the road, and sometimes they'll get hit when trying to cross. I would like to express my opinion on how to solve this problem. I believe that adding speed bumps to Monarch would help to slow cars down and watch for deer. Since there is a tunnel that goes under Monarch, you could entice the deer to go through that instead of over the road. This could be achieved by offering some sort of reward such as apples or pieces of pumpkin. Another solution could be to install a nighttime speed limit. Thank you for taking the time to read my ideas. I hope that you'll take them into consideration and try to execute at least one. My comments or my reading this isn't about the merits of the email. It's about the fact that I was very pleased to have a 12-year-old email me with a problem that they see and offer solutions. I did mention to this individual, Reese, that as a council, well, this... particular issue affects more than District 1, which is to whom he sent it. It affects all of us. So my commitment to Reese was that we would talk about it. Again, not tonight. That's not part of the discussion, but I just am thrilled that I got this email. The mayor had a suggestion that I invite Reese to do the pledge of allegiance. Well, first of all, I invited Reese to come tonight to talk in front of the board, the council, and explain Reese's thoughts. And also to do the Pledge of Allegiance. No, sorry, I didn't get to do that because what I learned was that Reese couldn't come tonight because Reese has an Eagle Scout meeting tonight. And then after that is traveling for the next 12 months. Oh, wow. So I didn't pry into what exactly that means, but I just wanted to mention that. I was thrilled to get that. And, you know, good luck to Reese. And as I mentioned, this is certainly a topic that we'll discuss. So thank you, Reese. Can you just respond to that really quickly? You know, it's just a point of interest. I don't know how much of this you remember, but, you know, here in Castle Pines, it was a group of residents that inspired the wildlife fence that we now have alongside the freeway. It was a group of residents who had a tragedy on I-25 that we had someone die because they got out of the car after hitting an elk. And because of that, within like six months, we built the wildlife fence all the way from Lone Tree, all the way past Castle Rock. And that was inspired by Castle Park. So you don't know that. And that came from our community. So I'm really proud of how we feel about our wildlife. Thank you, Mary. Thank you. Council Member Blue? Nothing worked there. All right. Thank you. I just want to remind everyone that we have a Urban Land Institute workshop on June 13th, and it's all day from 8.30 to 4 p.m. in Castle Rock. So just make sure that it's on your calendar. It should be a lot of fun. It should be extremely educational for what development looks like and the different stakeholders that take part in the development process. It was very educational when I went through this exercise with Mayor's Leadership Academy. So I think it will be really helpful for both. And it's in conjunction with the planning board as well. So it'll be kind of... an opportunity for us to interact with our planning boards more, too. So just a reminder, make sure it's on your calendar and that you are able to attend, and you'll be getting more information from them a couple days ahead of time, too, because there's a little bit of homework before the actual event. So that's all I have this evening. We will adjourn the meeting at 8, 11 p.m. Thank you, everyone.