Good afternoon and welcome to the closed session for Stockton City Council on the 12th of August. Let's go ahead and do a roll call. Council Member Blower. Present. Council Member Enriquez. Present. Council Member Ponce. Present. Council Member Padilla is absent. Council Member Villapadua. Present. Vice Mayor Lee. Present. And Mayor Fugazi. Present. We have a quorum. Wonderful. Council will be recessing to speak regarding labor negotiations pursuant to section 54957.6 of the government code, as well as legal counsel for anticipated litigation authorized pursuant to paragraph two of subdivision D of section 54956.9. another anticipated litigation pursuant to paragraph two of subdivision d section five four nine five six point nine public employee uh... a performance evaluation pursuant to government code section five four nine five seven b discipline dismissal release pursuant to government code section five four nine five seven and then public employee appointment authorized pursuant to government code And it's on there twice. Okay, pursuant to government code section 54957. So at this time we will have public comment and we have two minutes for public comment. May I have Tameka Small to the podium please? Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Council. I'm here to respectfully urge you to vote no on the reappointment of Mr. Colangelo. When I reflect back to the evening of February 4th, when you voted him in as interim city manager, it was clear he was not qualified for this very important position. He lacked both the education and the experience. His background is in event production, not in running a city, yet he was entrusted with this role. During his brief time as interim city manager, Mr. Coangelo used $22,000 of DEI funds to pay for an advisor, and now there are concerns of budgetary fraud and questionable hiring practices. Why would we consider reappointing someone whose actions have already raised red flags? Mr. Coangelo's six-month contract has ended, and you have already voted for Deputy City Manager Will Crew to serve as acting city manager until a permanent hire is made. Mr. Crew is already running the daily operations, so I have to ask, why go backward? How did we even get here? On the evening Mr. Coangelo was appointed, Councilwoman Padilla said, we can trust that you will always have the people first, that everything you do is for the people and in the best interest of this city. Reappointing Mr. Coangelo would not put the people first or move Stockton forward. In fact, it would take us backwards. I urge you all to do what is right, keep Acting City Manager Will Crew in place, and allow us to move forward. Enough is enough. Thank you. Pat Barrett. Two minutes doesn't give me much, so good afternoon to all of you. COMMENT ON THE CITY MANAGER. WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS THE OTHER DAY. WE'VE ALREADY VOTED AGAINST IT 7-0. I DO NOT KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP REPEATING THIS. IF THE COUNCIL VOTED NO, NO IS NO. PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT, PUSHING IT KEEPS US GOING BACKWARDS. THE CITY IS ALWAYS STUCK ON STUPID. THIS IS A CHANCE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE MAYOR FOR FOUR YEARS AND THEN WE GOT TO RESTART THE WINDOW? ALL THE TIME WE HAVE TO RESTART. MOVE FORWARD. THERE'S A MAN SITTING IN THE CHAIR THAT KNOWS THE SYSTEM, KNOWS THIS PLACE, KNOWS EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. WHY ARE WE SITTING UP HERE REDOING THIS? WE WENT THROUGH THIS. IT'S A WASTE OF EVERYBODY'S TIME. WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH IT, RIGHT? YOU'RE SMILING. I KNOW I LOVE SEEING YOU SMILE. ANYWAYS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE REVISITING THIS. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. AND THAT WAS YOUR SLOGAN. AS FAR AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, don't get it don't understand it angel radio in the ear trying to figure out why this is even a question here something about whistleblowing something about not firing some not filing something look our city manager our city attorney does what she does and that's why she's the attorney dedicated for the last 18 years 18 years she knows the city better than any of y'all OKAY? OH, YES, SHE DOES. SHE DOES. BECAUSE IF YOU KNEW THE CITY BETTER THAN SHE DID, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT PEOPLE SAYING, WHY AM I STILL HIRING A FRIEND? AND THEN TURNS OUT, RUMOR HAS IT, THAT YOUR BOYFRIEND WORKS FOR THE FRIEND'S SON? OKAY, SO I'M TRYING TO GET, RIGHT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS ALL OUT. WHERE DO ALL THESE COME FROM? OKAY? So the bottom line is we stay away from friends within our business. They don't mix. It's like water and oil. Zoyla Moreno. Good afternoon. I'm Zoyla Moreno from District 6, Western Ranch, and I'm sitting on the fence again. I DON'T KNOW WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON. AND IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET FIRED, AND IMMEDIATELY SOMEONE, YOU ALREADY EVEN HAVE SOMEONE TO REPLACE HER. HEY, FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE, WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU DON'T FIRE THAT BECAUSE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION, THEY NEED TO BE PROGRESSIVE, GIVE A CHANCE FOR EMPLOYEE TO PERFORM, AND THEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I'M EVEN, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING VERTICAL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ACTUALLY THIS, I'M UNORDINARY PEOPLE, AND THIS DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE. AND LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO WITHHOLD MY WHERE AM I ON THE ISSUE OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? Just remember, don't commit the same mistake that the previous administration did. They excluded the voices of the people when Western Ranch Starbucks was the ribbon-cutting ceremony and none of those four people were reelected. If you really want to serve the community, think very wisely how you're going to vote today. Thank you. ANTONIO MARTIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. JASON LEE, MAYOR FUGAZI. JASON LEE, MAYOR FUGAZI. JASON LEE, MAYOR FUGAZI. MY NAME IS ANTONIO MARTIN AND MY NAME IS ANTONIO MARTIN AND MY NAME IS ANTONIO MARTIN AND I'M A FORMER STOCKTON I'M A FORMER STOCKTON I'M A FORMER STOCKTON RESIDENT. RESIDENT. RESIDENT. I GREW UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I GREW UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF I GREW UP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF STOCKTON. STOCKTON. NEAR EL DORADO AND SWAIN, AND MY GRANDMOTHER WAS ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN PROVIDING AUDIO, FILM, AND TECH SERVICES FOR CITY EVENTS. I'VE WATCHED STOCKTON CHANGE OVER THE YEARS. WHEN I WAS 19 YEARS OLD, I HAD A JOB AT A CORPORATE JEWELER THAT ALLOWED ME TO LIVE COMFORTABLY IN SPANOS. WHAT WAS REALLY DISHEARTENING WAS SEEING THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND ITS ACCESSIBLE STORES AND EVENTS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE MY CHILDHOOD FRIENDS LIVED. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES, QUALITY PARKS, OR ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES. IT SEEMS LIKE PAST CITY OFFICIALS FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, AND AS A RESULT, MANY AREAS, ESPECIALLY THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST SIDE OF STOCKTON WERE LEFT BEHIND. IT APPEARS THAT DECISIONS WERE MADE TO BENEFIT A SELECT FEW, WHILE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR WERE OVERLOOKED. I'm here today not to bash anyone, but to ask a serious question. Why is it such a battle when someone tries to bring something positive to the black community? Why is it that when events are organized to our community, they are met with such resistance and drama? The same uproar and scrutiny did not seem to happen when other events or initiatives misuse public funds. From my perspective, as someone who grew up here and has watched from the outside, it feels like events and initiatives meant for the black community are unfairly targeted simply because of who they serve. It's time to stop the division and start prioritizing all of Stockton's communities, not just one part of Stockton, not just two, but the whole city of Stockton. Thank you. Yolanda Amen. Good afternoon, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council. I stand before you today a mental hot mess. I truly felt like my head was going to explode this weekend. Mayor Fugazi, your soft Facebook post on Monday was very lackluster. Once again, you tried to sugarcoat what was going on around you. You can't always take the stand of, I will never address any negative comments during my term. It's just a cop-out to me. You can't walk your term with blinders on. You have the power to not let this get this far. Your lack of true leadership has yet again made my city Stockton a laughing stock everywhere. We're splattered all over social media everywhere and the news afternoon and evening. What the hell are we doing? I'm sure that you're going to say, I didn't read anything on social media. I didn't watch any news. I was told not to look, so I don't look. Well, girl, I'm here today to tell you that you need to take a look. You need to look at the downward spiral that is happening around you in this building and throughout my city. You need to engage and lead. You sat there and told us on February 4th that Mr. Colangelo would be an interim city manager until August. And if he did anything wrong, he would be gone. And we all see that that didn't happen. I don't know if he has something over you or if something else or someone else is the puppet master over the both of you. Plain and simple terms. He was voted out, and Will Crew was voted in his interim to replace him until we find another qualified candidate. I ask you all to please do the right thing. Please look out for us. That is what you're put in that seat for. You said that you would serve us. You worked for the 3,000, 29,000 people, 975. We are your bosses, and you work for us, and I'm asking you to please do your job. Matt Nerum. Good afternoon. My name is Matt Nerum, a labor representative for Stockton Professional Firefighters Local 456 Management Unit. I have a prepared statement from our fire unit regarding the most recent conceptual agreement made by the city's negotiating team. The fire management unit voted to reject the city's offer in verbal conceptual agreement the city's proposal for longevity pay was limited to a single year rather continuing as ongoing compensation the city previously agreed to longevity pay for poa that would continue so long as measure a funding continues but is unwilling to provide a similar benefit to the city's firefighters i'm personally requesting that you direct the city's negotiating team to remove the sunset clause and include the longevity benefit in the mou if this does occur the fire management unit will lead the way We will vote yes for that proposal and encourage other members of Local 4562 as well. Thank you for your time. Colt Lee. Good afternoon. I'm Colt Lee. I'm the Vice President of Stockton Professional Firefighters, Local 456, and I've been a member of the Stockton Fire Department for 17 years. I'm here to ask you to show that you value your fire department with a fair contract. You all say that you value public safety and that it's a top priority. It's time to prove it with some action. We're now 40 plus days without a contract after you asked us to be patient and work with you. Well, our patience has run out. Our membership is losing faith in city leadership and our members are lining up to take jobs at other fire departments with higher pay and benefits. It's not because they want to leave, but it's because they're unsure of the direction the city is going. and because they need more stability for them and their family. You say that you value public safety, but your actions, or lack thereof, say otherwise. You're stalking firefighters. We always show up when we're called. We always do the right thing, and we're always fair. And that's what we're asking you guys to do today. We're asking you to give your firefighters a fair contract and show that you do value us, value our members, and we're hoping that you can do that today. Thank you very much. Kayvon Marshall. Good afternoon. Thank you for your time. I'll make this quick. My name is Kayvon Marshall. I'm a firefighter paramedic, been with the city for four and a half years. Almost half of the fire department has five years. Half of the Stockton Fire Department is less than five years on the job. This one year contract of longevity that sunsets does nothing to benefit the people on the firefighter rank. If anything, it speaks to the lack of value the city has for retaining its firefighters. This sunset is not a true commitment from the city or our members. And unfortunately, it's forcing our members to seek employment elsewhere. In my four and a half years with the Stockton Fire Department, I've seen well over 35 members lateral to other agencies. That's insane. My truck captain with 25 years on the job when I was on probation lateraled to another agency and took a raise as a probationary firefighter. That's insane. That's unheard of. We've become the Oakland A's of the fire service. And for those of you unfamiliar with baseball, they're the worst franchise in the major leagues. We've become a stepping stone for other fire departments. We literally have what every other fire department wishes that they had. Culture, a phenomenal fire chief, pride. Passion. We get the reps. We have the talent. But at the end of the day, money talks. On my way down, I saw Roseville Fire Department post a recruitment. That's a non-Bay Area fire department. Top step firefighter paramedic, $152,000 a year. That's twice my salary. Closest firehouse is three minutes from my house. I'm asking you guys to please get us into a reasonable and fair contract, or I'm going to have to seek employment elsewhere. Thank you. Seth Martinez. Good afternoon. My name is Seth Martinez. I'm captain of the Stockton Fire Department. I'm here on behalf of Local 456. Many of you in front of me might remember me or not from Fire Ops 2025. I was personally afforded the opportunity to collaborate and put that operation in movement for you guys to kind of give you a glimpse of the day-to-day operations that we go through on a daily basis where I know Those of you that were there saw firsthand the dedication, the passion, and commitment that your firefighters of this city of Stockton put forth every single day. That being said, you would think that would speak for itself in urging the council to consider a fair contract and recognize long-term investment of their employees. Just to reiterate what my brother said before me here, we don't want or need this department to be a puppy mill for providing absolutely tremendous training early on in their careers only to set those individuals up to leave elsewhere. There's no investment, there's no return on investment for the city or the fire department. I stand here and I'll be brief in saying I urge you to reconsider the contract that was presented to us. Get rid of that sunset clause and show a vested interest in your long-term employees, especially those public safety. Thank you. Devin Robeson. Good afternoon. Devin Robeson, Local 456 President. We stand here today in unity like we always do. Every day we show up to work. We have never given anything less than 100%. Every day we show up to work 365 days a year. It doesn't matter what it is outside, how hot it is, how cold it is. You get a service from the people that serve this community and the fire department without question or hesitation. We will risk it all for anything and anybody. It has been used, I feel like it has been used as a benefit to use the public safety rhetoric for campaign and for votes a lot of times. I think we're at a point where words are great, action is better. We're 43 days without a contract. 43 days without a contract that started having discussions in February. That doesn't sound efficient. the proposal lacks commitment to our employees who are committed to this city yet they're supposed to stay here but they're not they're not supported in the last week we're losing four people committed to other agencies with eight to ten considering other agencies as we speak wondering how this is going to turn out you have that power i hope you use it wisely we have done nothing but to be mindful of the city and to work alongside and try to be mindful of the budget and where we are and where we sit. We have where we've started and where we came from and where we're at right now when it comes to those numbers and how that looks like. You all know about that. You can't deny that. We have been partners in this journey to try to achieve a common goal. Again, I urge you to put action to your words. Thank you. Julie Dunning. Good afternoon, Council. Madam Mayor, upon placing Steve Colangelo in the position of City Manager, you stated that, despite his lack of experience and qualifications, he could do the job, he was the right person, and to trust you. So I did. In the days leading up to May 13th, you reached out to solicit my formal backing for Colangelo, stating that you feared the Vice Mayor and Council Member Enriquez were trying to terminate him. Shortly after submitting my written letter of support, I learned that Colangelo had signed a secret contract with the City Manager of Lathrop for consulting services. After this was made clear, public instead of being concerned you publicly responded that you thought he was being innovative his actions were deceptive intended to cover up the fact that he lacks the necessary attributes to be city manager Mr. Colangelo's deception in your response left me feel betrayed and intentionally used. But I began to see a pattern, like how Councilmember Villapudwa is now being used to create public controversy alleging Brown Act violations and how Colangelo is being used to discredit the Vice Mayor and the Economic Development Director over a payment to a promoter. These acts are intended to distract citizens from the real issues Colangelo's incompetency and his deceptive behaviors over the last six months, the negative impact he's had on City Hall, and most importantly, why, in spite of all of this, you want to keep him as city manager when far more qualified individuals are available that wouldn't cost taxpayers an additional $20,000 a month. It begs the question, what's in this for you? One possible answer is that a strong alliance with an unqualified city manager who is a longtime friend gives you tremendous power and control outside of the council. It allows for the potential placement of staff to implement changes. of zoning within the city to benefit friends and associates. This could expand the long-term vacancies. I urge you not to fire the city attorney and not to vote to give Colangelo a contract. I'm going to submit my comments because there's a lot more I couldn't say in two minutes. Mary Elizabeth? Mary Elizabeth and I really don't like to get involved in in this kind of controversy because I think that it takes away from what we're trying to do in our community to improve it for everyone back in today I learned at a board of supervisors meeting that communications with the city staff has led the COUNTY COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT A TOBACCO RETAIL ORDINANCE, WHICH IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE CITY OF STOCKTON. BACK IN 2021, WHEN I STARTED WORKING ON THIS AS A SCHOOL TEACHER, SEEING ALL OF THE PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. AND I KEPT AT IT, KEPT AT IT, KEPT AT IT. AND CAME UP TO 2024. And the city council then voted for some exemptions that allowed for the continued overconcentration. You thankfully put a moratorium on any new ones, and you reaffirmed that. And that was April 15th. And I worked. I sent the emails. I made all of the efforts. I came by. I stopped by. I made phone calls. to try to get a meeting with the interim city manager to discuss what our concerns are. And it's not just me. I'm here now, but there's lots of people that have worked on this. July 31st, I got a meeting, finally, and had heard that you all had a... chose not to continue and have a new one and so I cancelled that. Andy Abbott. Corruption breeds incompetence. That is always my message. Today, council is facing two deeply stupid votes. One out in the open and this secret one. But if the stupid thing happens in secret and you fire the city's competent, ethical city attorney in favor of another crony, anyone paying attention is going to know exactly who voted which way. That's not hard tea leaves to read. You know there's no actual reason to fire the city attorney. A council that does things without sound reason is either incompetent or corrupt. Anyone eager to work for a corrupt organization is themselves either going to be corrupt or incompetent. That's the natural order of the universe. Hiring the corrupt and incompetent pushes out the good. and you know the Colangelo Clown Show, we're hemorrhaging the incompetent and the experienced. You're seriously considering hiring a new city attorney this evening. How many of you up there know the name of the person you're going to be considering this evening? How many of you have actually seen a resume? Are we going to do the stupid hire a crony thing again? Three of you are gearing up for re-election. One of you is safe because the people he represents know he's sane and has been doing his job. One of you appears to have recently lost his mind. The third one has been working real hard to buff up her image. We see it. The homeless camp was window dressing, though, because it just moved the problem. Recently came out and asked for peace and togetherness on the council. That's great. I would love you all to work out your personal problems, but I'm more concerned about your personnel problems. You want to show the voters that you're working for them? Keep the city attorney. But if you want to prove to the voters that you're still working for your campaign manager, go ahead and vote to get rid of her. We'll talk about your other stupid vote later this evening, but give us some indication that this body has not completely lost its way. Do the right thing. Good afternoon, Mayor Fogarty and City Council. I'm Lang Phuong Nguyen. I live in District 1, and today I actually speak on my family behalf because regarding the interim city manager, the news have been all over the places, and my brother, my sister, my nieces, and my nephew, you know, keep talking to me about this, so I had to appear here to request that the council, please don't renew the contract with the interim city manager, because if you do so, you will really undermine your public standing, undermine your credibility, because we trust you, we vote for you. My family member vote for you last election, so we would like you to pay attention to what our concern. Thank you. That concludes public comment. Okay, so this body will now recess to closed session. Okay, hello everyone. Thank you for being so patient with us. I would like to call the open session for our council meeting today on the 12th of August. Let's go ahead and do roll call. Council Member Blower. Present. Council Member Enriquez. Present. Council Member Ponce. Present. Council Member Padilla. Present. Council Member Villapadua. Present. Vice Mayor Lee. Present. And Mayor Fugazi. We have a quorum. Okay. At this time, I would like to invite Reverend Dwight Williams to the podium to do our invocation. Good evening. Let us pray. Lord, tonight we ask that you look down upon our city. We need you. God, I pray tonight for our city and for its leaders. I pray that you was to guide each and every one of them. Pray, God, that you was to touch each one in this room, those downstairs, those outside, and those who have already left. We pray, oh, God, for your grace, your favor, and for your peace to prevail. I pray for everyone on this council, staff. I pray, oh God, that your hand of grace and favor would be upon us. Again, we are standing in the need of prayer for you on tonight. And Lord, we ask for your choices, blessings to continue to shine upon us. And in all things, we will be careful to give our name praise. In the name of Jesus the Christ, we pray. And everyone say it, amen. Amen. Council Member Enriquez, could you please lead us in the pledge? Yes, Mayor. Please rise if you can. And begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. I know that there is a lot of grumbling going on out there, but would please respectfully ask that we act ourselves in according to our council policy. Four point. Four point zero seven point zero one. And that is specifically about decorum. It addresses signs, objects, et cetera. Again, we apologize for being as late as we were, but we were doing important work and representing the people of Stockton. So moving on to report of action taken into closed section. Do we have anything? Do we have anything to report. There's nothing to report Mayor. Thank you. Okay additions to regular session we had something but they left. Recognitions announcements or reports. We have nothing. They left. They left. So Delta Sunrise Little League will come back then on our next meeting. We're going to connect with them on the dates. So far everybody's looking at the next meeting. If the item gets approved today it'll be August 26th. I know Strive has to be continued as well. Yes. Update from Assembly District 13. She'll be coordinating with your office to determine a follow up date. Okay. Moving on then to public comment. Let me again. over the rules of decorum they were on the front page of the the report are actually our legislative report our agenda also up there just remember that we are here to do the business on behalf of the people of this city that disruptions or violations of this policy will not be tolerated you already know what the POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES ARE FOR THAT. WE DO NOT WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THESE CHAMBERS. AGAIN, WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND WE ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU RESPECT AND WE EXPECT RESPECT BACK. THIS BODY AS WELL, THE PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THIS DIAS, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY WILL ALSO BE FOLLOWING THAT DECORUM POLICY. So please silence your phones, have them on vibrate. Please allow people to speak. When you get your chance, I will invoke the silence that you deserve as well so that your voice may be heard. Okay? So first, oh, two minutes per public comment. City Clerk. Cynthia Gilboyd. Vice Mayor Jason Lee often brags about how smart he is. Well, I consider myself on the comprehension level to be up there at the top of it, but y'all got me twisted. Why do we start? See, I already had these notes written. Why don't we start the meetings with prayer? And then y'all get up there. I can't wait to start raising as much hell as you can. Not we talking about decorum, but I'm talking about what's been happening. Can't wait to start hell. Why don't we start it with the prayer? I guess that's what the earlier preacher said to hell with it. Number two, why don't we all salute the flag? Your hand over your heart and your head held high. When some of you don't even understand respect. the ones that you're sitting up there with. Or to protect and serve the citizens. Ma'am? Miss Mayor? All right. Number three. Why should the public present or be held hostage and forced to endure? The late hour, midnight? In this dangerous downtown? In this dangerous city? What, we up to murder number 23 now? And why do we not know from time to time if it's going to be two minutes, five minutes, or if we're going to be able to speak at all? Now, speaking of eating, I got a video of Calangium, a video of Padilla, and a video of the mayor eating. Yeah. And we haven't had a morsel except for that little plum I snuck off in here. But you all sit up there and sneak and eat during the meeting. It's like inviting us to the party and we can't have no cake. Cut it out. Zoila Moreno. Roccio House. Rocio. Ralph White. Just come up to ask, does y'all make a decision on my attorney fee being paid like you paid for the attorney fee to represent Jason Lee, who wasn't a counselor? That is definitely malfeasance in office. And whoever did that should be fired immediately. Thank you. whoever had signed since the rest of you didn't do it. And I heard you made some motions the other day about something in your meeting that you was going to start an investigation. I understand the charter says you can start that investigation, but who the hell is going to pay for it? The city can't pay for it. I think you better reach the charter again. You guys are making a hell of mistakes up here and don't know what the hell you're doing half the time. reach a charter before you make your motion because the rest of the council got to pay for it. The city can't pay for it. Read it. It tells you right there that the city cannot pay for that investigation unless the whole council decide to pay for it. So whenever you have those little meetings, you don't have no authority to call an investigation. Well, you can do it, but you can't pay for it. It tells you right there you have to pay for it. not the taxpayers is not going to pay for it the council can pay for it as a whole so you chairmans learn your business in your meetings when you're trying to make motions or accept motion do your homework thank you i'm waiting to speak on what is that five julie dunning anthony silva uh... good evening uh... as you know my name is uh... anthony so with former people's mayor of stockton this is my son there really is he's gonna speak next give me his time uh... we came to honor the legacy of dawn uh... douglas vigil tonight former commissioner for that commission with disabilities and school board member percent walking county and advocate for this is a disabled community in general so uh... my understand his family might come back next time there was a beautiful proclamation going to be handed out so it was unfortunate but will will do will do will do it again uh... i want to extend my steadfast of support to Mayor Fugazi. She was my vice mayor, as many of you know, and so I have unwavering leadership for her. She remains a person of integrity, and I'm here to continue to support her. Steve Colangelo, I rise in support of him tonight. He has faced public criticism simply for choosing to stick his neck out and help Stockton for a while. He doesn't deserve this negativity. Whoever sits in that chair, whether it's Will or whoever, doesn't deserve that negativity. He's a devoted husband, father, successful business owner, and he exemplifies the perseverance and commitment that Stockton needs. I've seen him work hard at the asparagus festival, hard at the county fair. So don't get fooled by all the hoopla you read. He's a good and honest man, and he deserves our respect. I urge the council and the residents to take consideration some of the rules and regulations regarding the meetings. There's no organizational structure as people come up here to know if they're going to get a ticket maybe, if they're going to get a seat up here in these chambers or in the bottom chamber or in the middle chamber. So we just need to get that organized a little more. A lot of people were here tonight and a lot of people left upset. And we don't want them to leave upset when they come to city council meetings. Okay, really. I am giving my daddy two minutes. He's next on the card. No, he has his own card. I apologize, Mayor. We don't give, we can't move time from one to the next. You sure? Yes, we don't do that anymore. I apologize. Okay, because next we're going to talk about Government Code 1090 since I have a little bit of experience with that one too. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Lupe Smith? Lupe Smith? Diana Buettner. Hi kids. I'm having a real issue with the fact that there's a breakdown in communication. When there is an issue that you need to work through, is that necessary to spend taxpayer money on staff and hold the people to sit here and wait and ask us. I mean, there was no warning. It was just every 15 minutes, we were just going to be okay. And I didn't bring my meds, so now I have to go. I was here for Doug's presentation, the thing that we were going to do. You know, I just, I don't understand. And I was trying to make it a little later. The public is pissed off for that. Like having to wait three hours, like that's insane. And we knew we had to be here early because there was going to be a lot of people. So some of us got here around 4 or 4.30. That's a long time to ask the public to wait. I would suggest that maybe in the future, if there's another issue like that, that maybe you can table your issue you are having on your time and respect the public and our time. Because a lot of people have to go to work. I get it. You guys work, too. But you are supposed to represent us and our issues. And just for the sake of I don't have anything else to say, so we are clear, I get a reasonable accommodation if I have more to say. There's the issue of all those people standing out there, people not being able to, you know, mobility. I have mobility issues. asking people can i go through and they're looking at me like no you stand in line like everybody else i can't stand like that there are things that need to be addressed here and and we're going to miss doug a lot thanks zachary avalar Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Zachary Alvilar. I'm a proud United States Marine and former elected trustee for the Stockton Unified School District. I'm here tonight with one clear message. Stockton needs leadership we can trust. And Steve Colangelo is the man who will deliver. Steve embodies the leadership, the vision, and the commitment our city needs in this role. He has the qualities that matter most. Integrity, transparency, and the ability to bring people together. even when opinions differ. His dedication and experience will help guide Stockton towards a stronger and safer and more prosperous future. Stockton is at a critical point. We need someone who not only understands the challenges we face, but also has the vision and determination to address them head on. He listens to the community, he respects the process, and he makes decisions based on what is best for Stockton's future, not politics or personal gain. I STAND BEHIND STEPHEN 100% AND I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO DO THE SAME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY, AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO STOCKTON'S FUTURE. KAZI SHAHAD. MY NAME IS KAZI SHAHAD AND I'M A BUSINESSMAN AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY MAYOR, CHRISTINA FOGAZI, AND ALSO STEVE COLANGELO. I'm in favor of supporting Steve. He's a hardworking man, and he's from the community. Steve was a business owner in Stockton for a long time, and we need someone with that type of experience. Thank you. Raul Eversley. Yes, good evening. Congratulations, Christina. Yes, as mayor. Nice. But I'm here to also support you as mayor. Great job you're doing. And also support Steve Colangelo for city manager. I met him a couple of times. We had good conversations. Great guy, stand-up guy, and I could see him leading Stockton, you know, help leading Stockton in great ways. And I just want to say, you know, You guys consider him, and I give my support for Steve Colangelo. Okay? Thank you. Rudy Hurtado. I call the traffic control because we have a big problem. with speeding and running through the step signs and double lines. This is a school route for the kids. The traffic to the school for the Stanfield and DeKalb place, they said they will not help me at all because they're short of policemen and officers. Any for the safe of the kids I am sorry, but I see you having no problems with policemen here for your safety, but not for the kids. But that doesn't matter who you call in Stockton. They're short-handed, and sometimes they do not answer the phones because they're understaffed. You wanted to be the mayor. If you can't do the job, then resign. Like there's people standing here, we wait outside for three hours, people are handicapped, some people are diabetic, and no food, and you guys over there eating away like it's nothing. I'm disappointed with you guys. You guys don't worry about the people, nothing, no water out there, hot out there, no fans, no nothing. You got to get another place, bigger place to support the people. I'm sorry I had to come up here and say that, but we don't get no help. Thank you. Armando Valerio. Good evening, Mayor and Vice Mayor Lee, council members. I'm here in regards to East Stockton. That's 10 St. Gertrude's Church, and I've been to this council before. explain the issues we've had a singer choose vandalism we've had our crosses burn or windows broken cars broken into so now instead of connoisseurs is on call it for virtues because now we have alarm systems we have cameras and now have a fence but now recently with the last couple months we had some women in the evening who got robbed by gunpoint i don't know what to say we have this issue long-going The city council, I understand that we're limited on resources. Police department is limited on the resources they provide. We've interacted with the police department, but again, it's the resource allocation. So it's becoming more and more difficult for parishioners, especially in the evening time. Mary Fugasi, when she was a council member, would come out on Wednesday evenings for dinners we had, but now it's becoming a little bit more worse out there. So I appreciate you being there and firsthand knowledge of what's occurring. I also want to talk about what we work with the city with. We have a crosswalk issue. Main Street, they're just flying through there. About five to six years ago, I went through the process of the neighborhood traffic management program. Had to fill out this form, had to go to all the neighbors, saying this is what we want to do to mitigate the fast speeds of the traffic. And the church down from us is having the same issue. Police department came out one time. They ticketed some folks. We had the sign come out saying, hey, speed limit, speed limit. You know, nothing really worked. Now we have to have our parishioners go out there on a Sunday masses doing traffic control to try to slow the traffic down. But anyway, this plan I turned in was number 65 on the list six years ago. We're making progress. We're at 56. Yeah, okay. But also we have this Main Street Complete Streets project going on as well. But the Main Street Complete Street does not interact with the neighborhood traffic management. So now there's a disconnect there. Thank you for your time and have a wonderful evening. Alberto Gonzalez. Good evening. I wasn't going to speak tonight, but as I hear some of the people come up here and make some comments, I just wanted to say that I feel betrayed. Because I did a lot of hard work helping people with their campaigns, putting out signs for them. And I heard the words, enough is enough. And I don't see it. It's like I beg the Latino community that don't vote to vote for certain people. And now when they see me, this is what you wanted us to vote for? They feel betrayed, and I feel betrayed. Thank you. Yolanda Amen. Good evening. Once again, our city is being cast in a horrible light. This is not a path that was laid out for us in January. Mr. Coangelo has already cost our city upwards of $100,000, and especially in hiring an assistant, he had no business hiring. This total is just unacceptable, and that money could have gone to something else, and it was just a waste. And now we see constant attacks on certain council members. This is what I call the red herring effect. All of these side issues, Brown Act, character assassination, outright lies, are just silkscreen that is meant to mislead us and distract us from what's really trying to be slid past us. This is the same playbook used by past councils. But you promised to turn the page and move in a new direction. And that's just not what is happening. Why you didn't count on us? You didn't think we were going to be here? I think we are the surprise for you, us, the people, the 209 Strong, calling you out on all of the things that you're doing. We told you we would be watching. and you've taken us for granted we are not going anywhere we will continue to call out when we hear and see that you are treating us like fools remember you work for us and not the other way around get your act together and get back to the business of stockton and for those seeking re-election please note that we are especially watching every accusation especially the vote that you cast Mayor Fugazi, I ask you to please stop the behind-the-scenes maneuvering and start leading the city in the right direction. You, Ponce, Padilla, Villapadua, you all ran for these seats. Act like you know how to sit in them and use them to serve the constituents and the people of Stockton. Thank you. Pat Barrett. I don't want to be here either. With a sad heart, I say these words. Within the last year, I fought the county Dems to endorse you when they held a 10-year grudge against you. I even resigned due to their conduct for not letting go. I went against multiple people in higher-ranking positions to put faith in you. I preached to people about your character and scruples and backed you up when people pointed fingers about your behavior with... the rumor when you were transferred from Edison to Stagg, and when you were slammed on social media about when you were accused of hitting the student, I remember a totally different person as I see here sitting in front of me. Eleven years ago, I was traumatized when my son received life for being black. Five years ago, when I lost my two grandkids to suicide, I grieved for two years. Even though I was totally functional, in my eyes, the fog caused my grief, kept me DISCONNECTED FROM EVERYDAY CHOICES FOR WHICH, WHEN I CAME OUT OF THE FOG, I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THINGS HAD HAPPENED, AS THEY REFERRED TO IN THE INTERVIEW, IF THE PEOPLE WOULD TRUST US. OUT OF TRANSPARENCY, HOW MANY APPLICANTS HAVE WE RECEIVED FOR THE SAKE OF TRUST SINCE IT CLOSES IN LESS THAN A MONTH? MY POINT IS, MAYOR FERGAZI, FROM MY HEART, You need to step down because I see you unhealthy and working in a fog because you are not thinking with your brain nor would you teach students to be unethical and choose friends and family members to work for them. I don't believe that cronyism and nepotism would have been in your processing if the puppet master was not taking advantage during your grieving stage from the loss of your father who was your world-making. excuse me, making you a puppeteer over the ICM and other city staff. Cronyism and nepotism is alive and making our city unhealthy for our citizens like a virus. I have come to refer to this city hall as the game of Fugazi, as in the Game of Thrones. It is reflected as a medieval scenario of Robin Hood, where Edwin Jussie. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC. MY NAME IS EDWIN. I AM THE FOUNDER OF FATHERHOOD LEGACY, AND I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT LEADERSHIP, RESPONSIBILITY, AND PUBLIC TRUST. FIRST, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AS DISTRICT 6 COUNCILMAN, VICE MAYOR JASON LEE HAS DONE COMMENDABLE WORK FOR HIS DISTRICT, BUT AS VICE MAYOR, I BELIEVE HE HAS FALLEN SHORT. THE ROLE OF VICE MAYOR IS TO REPRESENT THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST ONE DISTRICT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THE DISTRICT HAS REMAINED PRIMARILY, THE FOCUS HAS REMAINED PRIMARILY ON DISTRICT 6. That raises the question, how can we have a vice mayor whose attention isn't balanced across all communities in Stockton? In biblical terms, I see a contrast. Jason Lee as King Saul, living for his own glory and notoriety. And Brando Villaputa as King David, putting the city's best interests before his own. King Saul often acted for himself, even when dressed up as service to the people. King David served with humility and a heart for the entire kingdom. That's the difference I see in your leadership styles. Yes, the MTV Wild and Out event came to Stockton. That's notable. But I have to ask, how did that truly empower our community? What measurable lasting benefits from it? Did it create a sustainable opportunity for our residents? Or did the primary benefit flow to those already in your personal circle? These are fair questions for any leader who serves the public. And now to Vice Mayor Lee's recent public post. THREATENING LAWSUITS, ATTEMPTS TO GET PEOPLE FIRED, AND REMOVE OF SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS FOR ANYONE WHO CRITICIZES THEM. LET'S BE CLEAR. CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE 6252-6276.48 SAYS PUBLIC OFFICIALS OPERATE UNDER PUBLIC RECORDS ACT, MAKING THEIR OFFICIAL ACTIONS OPEN TO SCRUTINY. California Constitution Articles 1, Section 2 guarantees the people's right to speak freely about public issues, including criticism of elected officials. And U.S. Supreme Court President in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 1964, makes it clear public officials cannot silence criticism unless they prove actual malice. By accepting the role of Vice Mayor, Mr. Lee, you accept that your public conduct is open to debate, criticism, and opinion. That's how democracy works. I got the next card, too. Mary Elizabeth only speak once thank you though Mary Elizabeth Mary Elizabeth, a Stockton resident. So I submitted a comment regarding a advertisement in Mad River Union. And that's a publication in Humboldt County. And it's about bringing your own food containers to restaurants. This is something that Stockton needs to be looking at reducing our waste. I bring that article, that advertisement from Humboldt County to give great thanks to the Board of Supervisors of Humboldt County for sticking up for the people of Stockton when GSNR wanted to put an export wood pellet storage at our port and put our residents at harm. But the city was silent. I submitted to you all a copy of an AB617 flyer. Residence.art, and I hope that it will be published in the minutes. Residents that live within 617, a boundary encompassing parts of District 5 and 6, are eligible for an air purifier. We have a serious issue related to our dependence on fossil fuels. And with the burning of fossil fuels comes great air pollutants that harm many in our community. I urge each council person to reach out and find a home for a free air purifier. Thank you. Tiffany Jackson. I'm Tiffany Jackson, and first I just want to say, please let's be on time, because as you see, I have a six-year-old, and we waited four hours. And I brought him here to talk to him. Teach him about standing up for yourself, how the government works, and that our council members are here to help the community. And I said, what does the mayor do? Oversees the city. So I'm teaching him everybody has a voice and your voice matters. So I'm coming here to speak because I am a teacher, I am a single mom, and I'm a PTA president. I ran for that position because there was nobody like me at the school to speak up for people like us. And it's a tough position. I have claws and daggers coming at my back every day. And even as unpopular this might be from what I heard, I want to thank Mayor Jason Wayne Fugazi because I did follow them. And from their post, it gave me the strength to stand up and do what's right and be honest. And I have parents that are thanking me because I believe in truth. and transparency and honesty and doing the right thing at all times. And with me saying that, I'm really here to advocate for the students because I've been reaching out and I've been trying to get a meeting because I want the city to help the community. My son almost got hit by a car. We've been requesting a speed bump. As the PTA president last year, I did a safety walk around the community, and we flagged all of it. And I was told, and I haven't investigated, that they said they did not want to put a speed bump on McDougal and William Moss because it was too much money. My child right there is my everything, and I fight for that, and I will die for that. I will die on the hill for that. And what you don't want is a whole bunch of mama bears, because if anything that unites us, whether race, religion, gender, is mama's, and their babies. So I please ask that the next time, please start on time or a little bit earlier because I really wanted my child to have a voice because he had opinions too. And the only thing he asked for was, can you bring Monster Truck to Stockton so we don't have to go to Oakland? Kimberly Graves. THERE'S NO TIME. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY GRAVES, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE TIME, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY I DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA. I LIVE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AWAY, SO I'M NOT A BABY, BUT IT IS AN INCONVENIENCE FOR ME AS WELL HAVING TO WAIT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I'M BUILDING FOUR UNITS FOR AT-RISK FOSTER YOUTH, AND I'VE BASICALLY COMPLETED THE BUILDING, BUT COW WATER I have proof that they've targeted me intentionally with malice in order to prevent me from completing my building. I'm here today to let the general public know that I'm in South Stockton. I'm an asset to the community. I've invested all of my savings into building this. I've owned a lot since 2009. I had the meters put in in 2022. by Cal Water. But in 2025, and I have receipts, I have all of my messages, my phone records, everything, the names of the individuals at Cal Water that I spoke to. They played a trick and decided to take my meters after I've had them for three years. I also have proof that there's a unit built a mile away from me in 2024. There's another unit built in 2022 with the exact same situation that I have, but they never took their meters. They never required them to do what they're requiring me to do. I've talked to them. I've talked to their general counsel. I've went to the CPUC. I've went to the SWRCB. I've done everything I could, but they refused to listen to me. So now I'm taking my argument to the public. I am 1000% correct. They are misinterpreting the code. I also have evidence that another utility COMPANY, WHICH IS THE LARGEST IN THE UNITED STATES, DOES NOT APPLY THE SAME INTERPRETATION OF THIS CODE THAT THEY ARE. I EXPLAINED THAT IN MEDIATION TO THEIR COUNCIL, AND SHE SAID TO ME, SO WHAT, IN SO MANY WORDS, WE GET TO DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I ASKED AND BEGGED THE PUBLIC TO HELP ME FIGHT THIS PRIVATE COMPANY THAT'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOMEBODY THAT'S BRINGING SOMETHING GOOD TO THIS CITY WITH ALL MY LIFE SAVINGS. DAVID SINGTHAY? Good evening, everyone, Mayor Fugazi, council members. It is a pleasure to be here tonight, even if it is this late. I was going to plan on commenting on consent agenda item 12.5 later, so I'll see my comments for that later. I do have a suggestion. As someone who also shows up at SOSD board meetings, what they do is they have their meetings at 4 p.m., they start their closed session, and then at 5 p.m., I believe 5 p.m., they come back, regardless of the status of what is happening in closed session, they come back to open session. and have their open session meeting take place always at the same time each Tuesday. And then go back to unfinished matters under closed session agenda. So it's a suggestion for future. I know you have to do that internally with the city staff and sort that out. But I do hope you look towards SUSD board meetings and take that process. Knowing that each meeting's open session starts at a set time allows us to show up and be present and not have to grumble and complain about being late. The meeting did start after 8 p.m. today. It is quite late. And if we are able to set a start time at 5.30 p.m. every council meeting and then allow for the open session to take place, finish all that business, and go back to closed session, that would do the public a great service. As you know, we cannot attend closed session meeting during that time. So I hope you all take that suggestion and await my comments for 12.5 a bit later. Thank you. Julie Dunning. Good evening, Council, Madam Mayor. I changed my mind and decided I wanted to finish my comments from earlier. So I left off wondering, what's in it for you? Why do you want to keep Colangelo as the ICM? One possible answer is the strong alliance with an unethical and or unqualified city manager who's a longtime friend gives you, the mayor, tremendous power and control outside of council. It allows for the potential placement of staff to implement changes in policy and practices that could affect real estate, community development, and zoning within the city to benefit... to the benefit of friends and associates. This could explain why the city has been without a chief financial officer, auditor, permanent city manager and budget officer for several months and why the economic development director has been placed on administrative leave. It would also explain why the ICM waived $200,000 in civil penalties for a developer and directed code enforcement to stop enforcing on the property. I've heard through social media that you've received feedback regarding employee concerns with having Colangelo as ICM. It's my understanding that there is the potential for a mass exodus if he's issued another contract. How will the city function then? More questionable hires? You were elected to represent the people of this city, and they have told you repeatedly, repeatedly, they don't want Colangelo. I believe city employees have now told you the same, Those of you that are seeking reelection, you may want to think carefully about your position tonight, as it's guaranteed that your vote will be a continuous topic of discussion during your campaign. Do not extend Colangelo's contract and leave Will Crew in place until a permanent replacement can be found. I'm begging you, please. That concludes general public comment. We have public comment for 12.17 and 12.20. Okay, so we will take the rest of the agenda then. I'm looking for a motion. Motion to approve the remaining. Motion. Several motions. One moment. Okay. For public comment, are we going to take those items separately then? Yes. Okay. Mayor, you have the option of reopening public comment if you would like. So I can bring it before council if council would like to go ahead and hear the item or not, I mean hear from the public on the item. You may make that decision as the presiding officer, and if you do not want to reopen, then the council has the option to make a motion and vote on that. Okay. Anybody on council? Okay, so we will then go. No, it's open. So can we then just take the rest of the agenda with the absence of 12.5, 12.2, 12.15, 12.21, 12.17. was the other one mayor point of point of clarity so my understanding or at least this is what I thought I heard is that the commenters that remain would have spoken during general public comment if they knew that the item was going to be pulled and And so you don't have to have them speak under the consent agenda. You can just go back to public comment and let them finish that out. So those that already spoke on that particular item though would not get another chance to speak? Yes, if you've already spoken during general public comment that's, you're done. Okay. Okay. We'll go ahead and do that then. I wish that during my comment I would comment on 12.5 later. I know I'm speaking out of turn but. Go ahead. Excuse me, point of order, point of order. Okay, we're having the discussion. If they did not speak on that, so we have a member of the audience that went up to the podium and did not speak on that, can now speak on that because they didn't speak on it during the public comment. Okay? Tony Nocetti. David Sainthe. One second. Okay, okay. Good evening, Council and Mayor Fugazi. I appreciate the opportunity to speak again. My name is David Seng Chai. I'm a lifelong Stockton resident of District 4. I'm speaking out against the consent agenda item 12.5, the appointment of former interim city manager Steve Colangelo and voting to vote no or pulling the agenda item off the consent calendar. And also to urge you all to publish a date certain plan to complete the permanent hiring of a city manager. It's been eight months. I'm hoping we can get someone in this position in that seat by the end of this year. First of all, process and standards. The city is already recruiting a permanent city manager. The posting is live and the deadline to apply for that is September 5th. Interviews are scheduled for October. Let's finish this process. Reappointing another interim city manager just undermines the recruitment process that we already began. Finish the hire we already started. Second, judgment and controls. During Mr. Colangelo's interim tenure, he brought in an outside advisor who also happened to be the current city manager for the city of Lathrop and paid him $11,000 dollars per month if you're appointed to be the interim city manager of the city of Stockton you should be expected to manage the city's operations without paying another man or woman to do that job for you, especially if they're the city manager of a smaller city compared to ours. The fact that he immediately needed a high-priced consultant to handle responsibilities and provide guidance to this position speaks volumes about his readiness and competency for this position. It's poor financial stewardship, and it's a red flag for leadership, and we don't need to repeat that by reappointing him. Third, ongoing controversy. It feels like every week there's a new news article about the drama unfolding at City Hall. All of it somehow includes Steve Colangelo. From investigating other city council members to paying outside consultants, his tenure has been defined by distraction. Regardless of how much, how each issue ends, the investigations and the findings, it's not right. He's not the person for the job. He's unqualified and he's controversial. Bob Bentz. Mayor Fugazi, members of the council, my name is Bob Bentz, and I want to speak in strong support of approving Steve Colangelo's contract as interim city manager. Stockton has a long history of hiring city managers from out of town, in some cases from out of state, and too often those hires have not worked out. We've seen leaders come in... who didn't understand our community, our history, or the unique challenges and opportunities that Stockton faces. And when those leaders left, Stockton was left starting over again. The record shows that some of Stockton's most effective city managers have been those with strong ties, people who already knew our city, its people, and how to navigate its complexities. That's exactly what we have in Steve Colangelo. Steve is not just a local. He's a proven leader with 38 years of business experience, over 20 years as a taxpayer advocate, even a background in law enforcement as an auxiliary police officer for the Sacramento County Police Department. In less than a year, he has balanced a $15.2 million budget shortfall without touching reserves launching major public safety initiatives, rebuilt state and federal partnerships, and started reforms that will benefit Stockton for years to come. We finally have a city manager who understands Stockton, knows how to get things done here, and is producing real results. Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past. I urge you to approve his contract and allow him to continue the work he started. Finally, Stockton's 175 years old this year. What are we going to do to celebrate it? Thank you. Andy Abbott. Let's see how much of this still works. Corruption breeds incompetence. That is still my message. This would have been the second deeply stupid vote you took this evening. Right now, will crew, competent, experienced, trusted is sitting in the city manager chair. There is no non-stupid, non-incompetent reason to change that. None. Yet you were somehow seriously considering replacing him with someone who completely fails to meet the posted job description in no fewer than three must-haves. Corruption, incompetence, both. I counted three votes for sanity and three votes for madness. Our possible wild card knows she's up for reelection and knows she has an image problem. Her associations with her campaign management and her management team have been a boat anchor to her from the jump. And we did see her working on her image. But the camp cleanup was cosmetic. It looked good for the district, but it only moved the problem elsewhere. She's now in public calling for council unity and putting aside grievances. Fixing y'all problems sounds great, personal problems sounds great, but for real impact, she can help fix your personnel problems. This would have been the best opportunity she ever had to start mending her image. A no vote on Colangelo would signal she sides with sanity, she's against cronyism, and wants to end the culture of fear in City Hall and the hemorrhaging of city staff brought on by Steve Colangelo. It would signal she's fighting for constituents, but a yes vote Absolutely proves all the rumors she spends time fighting are true. It says her constituents can go hang. She needs to understand a yes vote would be the best campaign mailer she could possibly hand to her eventual opponent. There's time to work on that. You can help just end the Colangelo madness. All right, guys, come on. Nancy Cochran. Eric Eisenhammer. Mayor Fugazi and members of the Stockton City Council, first of all, thank you for reopening this item. I'm Eric Eisenhammer, Executive Director of the Central Valley Taxpayers Association. Experience matters. Results matter. And Steve Colangelo has delivered both in his time as interim city manager. He came into this role with a $15.2 million budget shortfall. And a finance department with key leadership positions left vacant for nearly two years and a payroll system so broken that employees weren't being paid accurately. In less than a year... He balanced the budget without touching reserves, put the hiring process in motion to fill those critical positions, and brought in experts to fix the payroll system so city workers could count on being paid correctly and on time. Steve has made valuable contacts, not only here in California, but well beyond. He has built strong working relationships with influential leaders, including John Kupal of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, and has worked alongside our organization, the Central Valley Taxpayers Association, on several important taxpayer protection projects. His decades of experience... 38 years in business and over 20 years as a taxpayer advocate, meaning he understands how to fight for the public's interest and how to get results. Steve is a proven leader. Stockton cannot afford to lose this kind of leadership midstream. Replacing him now would risk undoing the progress our city desperately needs. I urge you. on behalf of the taxpayers to keep Steve Colangelo in place as interim city manager and allow him to finish the work he has started. Thank you very much. Mary Elizabeth. Mary Elizabeth Stockton, resident and taxpayer. I'm going to speak on this matter in relation to the plan for our future. So right now there's four positions that are under recruitment. I took a look at those four positions. Two of them have timelines. And it was my understanding that there was going to be a city manager selected and then that city manager was going to be involved in selecting their team and this is the the timelines that are right now out there on the recruitment are backwards the city manager is the last one that is going to be selected in regard to personnel matters i spoke already you know on an issue that I work quite a bit on is the tobacco retail ordinance and you know I was not at all impressed with how that collaboration between San Joaquin County and the city of Stockton occurred and I think that it could have been a lot better AND I ONLY HAVE ONE AVENUE TO CONTACT, AND THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THE STAFF THAT IS INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPING THAT ORDINANCE. AND SO FOR THAT, I HAVE NO OFFER OF SUPPORT. THANK YOU. DEADRA DAVEY? Good evening, Mayor, City Council. My name is Deidre Davey. I'm the first vice president for the NAACP Stockton Branch. And on behalf of the NAACP Stockton Branch Executive Committee, I would like to express our strong opposition to the continuation or reappointment of Mr. Steve Colangelo as interim city manager. I am compelled to raise serious concerns about the direction and leadership decisions that have made that have been made regarding this critical position at the most recent council meeting the decision was made to have the deputy city manager will crew serve as the acting city manager until a new interim contract is bought forward for consideration we fully support this temporary leadership structure and urge the council not to reverse course by reappointing mr colangio We believe his tenure has not been demonstrated has not demonstrated that the citizens of Stockton are his priority and his continuation in this role would not serve the best interests of our city. From the outset of his term this council made the consequential decision to force the resignation of a qualified city manager Mr. Harry Black on his first day of appointment. This decision. was followed by the appointment of Mr. Colangelo who lacks the qualifications and experience necessary to effectively manage a city of Stockton size and complexity. Public records are reporting having documented troubling actions during his tenure including the hiring of an outside adviser at a rate of eleven thousand dollars per month soon after his appointment. An arrangement later terminated amid public scrutiny. Reports also indicate that DEI related funds were inappropriately used to pay for this advisor raising further concerns about his physical fiscal stewardship and commitment to diversity that makes up the city. Thank you. Ralph White. I would like to say again I think Steve had done a pretty damn good job with what he's been working with. staff going behind his back, councilman's going behind his back talking to staff, knowing that's against the charter. You're not supposed to talk to nobody, no employee of the city behind the city manager's back. Everything goes through the city manager. And some of you have done that. And you know you have. You've had him spend money that he shouldn't have spent because he was trying to work with the councilman's that didn't know what the hell they was doing when they was asking him to hire some woman that used to work for Biden some years ago and had to spend $10,000 on that woman, on a consultant that only worked an hour and a half for $10,000. And I know damn well Jason Lee knows who I'm talking about. And there's several other things that's been done. We've lost more employees since this man's been sitting there talking to employees, talking to them bad, talking down to people and that stuff. Steve... I made the first city manager from Stockton when I was on the council, the first Filipino, Cesar, and the second was Ed Griffin from Stockton. But hiring these outside city managers is not that good for our city. Hell, they don't even know where the bathroom is when they get here. And they take them six or seven, and half of them that's here right now that's been your acting city managers, city managers, don't know half of the cities in Stockton. Steve had been here a long time. Let him work on out until you can find someone as good as Black, and you're going to have a hell of a time doing that, okay, finding someone that good. So I would say extend his contract or whatever you have another six months while you hunt for someone, and if you find someone in between that six months, then you can let him go. But if he's been doing a good job, you know, being a city manager is not as bad as you think it is if you've got a good crew working with you. Thank you. CYNTHIA GAYLE BOYD. NOW, THIS COUNCIL DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT THE MAN, IF THEY DON'T WANT THE MAN. THE NEWS ARTICLES THAT I READ, FIRST SOMEBODY WAS QUESTIONING, MS. MAYOR, SOMEBODY WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THEY AGREED WITH HIM USING THE FUNDS OR NOT. AND THE NEXT ARTICLE SEES, MS. MAYOR, THAT SOMEBODY agreed, oh, I understand now how can we use the fund. Now, somebody don't know if they want him up there or not. Uh-huh. Stop that eating up there. It's really on my nerve. I don't know if it's bothering anybody else. Is it? Thank you. Taking breaks to go get nibbles and all that kind of nonsense. Cut it out. Now, double dipping is what it's called. Uh-huh. First of all, HOW DID THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE WRITING WITH THEIR HEADS DOWN, MISS MAYA, NOT PAYING NO ATTENTION, HOW DID THE NEW PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT EVEN STEPPED IN THE CITY HALL CONSPIRE TO FIRE OR FORCE OUT CITY MANAGER BLACK IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHERE DID Y'ALL MEET AT WHEN YOU HAD THEM LITTLE TAY TO TAYS? YOU HADN'T EVEN STEPPED IN THE CITY COUNCIL HALL YET. You didn't have any prior, they, Ms. Mayor, didn't have any prior experience at being city council people. Some of them we ain't even heard talk yet. Ms. Mayor, where did you get your expertise from to know that Mr. Black wasn't the right person? Where did you meet at? At the golf range? Over drinks? At the concert in L.A.? That was the baby face concept. Now listen here. That unnecessary money is just like dipping when they did Blair O-Ring. He had been the chief of police. Chief Jones was underneath him. Why did Blair O-Ring get to double dip to train Jones? Y'all twisting. Alberto Gonzalez. I'm really confused how a lot of the people are coming up here, people that I've never even seen throughout the city, supporting a city manager that had to hire someone from a different city to help him do his job. I feel like I really don't understand. Where did all these people come to speak on this matter? to show support for someone that can't do his job, that has to pay someone $11,000 to teach him how to do his job. Why didn't you pay somebody from Stockton to help you how to do your job that knows Stockton? He lives in Latrobe, he doesn't know Stockton. But all of a sudden, we have a lot of people here supporting someone that doesn't know how to do his job. Thank you. Alyssa Leyva. community organizer with Stockton Stans but I'm speaking on behalf of myself today. The discourse around Dr. Harry Black and I'm not going to sit here and defend every action of him but I just wanted to reiterate of what he was able to do for South Stockton and getting our stakeholders together during COVID when we had the highest death disparities and COVID transmission rates. Our community in District 6 is suffering even more than it was during COVID. I point that out because Colangelo is not qualified. And like they said, how are you going to freaking hire somebody to teach you how to do your job? Secondly, if you're from Stockton, you know he's around for damn well every position there is. And yet, 209 Times is over there saying, well, Harry Black is too political with Mary Tubbs. It's like you're doing the same thing. Anyways. Another thing, I just want to point in public record that on May 15th, when we were organizing for the street vendors, Colangelo broke state law by prohibiting the youth from speaking on their First Amendment right, and we are speaking to the ACLU. Thank you. Lan Phong Nguyen. Good evening. Good evening, council members. I'm here speaking on behalf of my family. I have together more than 10 people. We live in North Stockton. And normally, you know, Asian family, we don't read about the news. But since the interim city manager, news have been all over the place. So my family have been talking about this a lot. And today they asked me to come here and... to urge the council to vote again rehiring him. Because you know, many of us here cannot make like that much of money. And we use this much of money to pay for the person who are not qualified to do the job. So thank you. Roger Mangot. respected mayor city council members and the audience here last week I spoke too fast and I got the only reason I was speaking too fast was that there were only two minutes but then I realized it's not about speaking too much or writing down your notes they should come from the depth of the heart like a lot of people's notes came from the depth of the heart here not from the notes reading AS ONE OF THE PERSONALS SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN IN THESE MEETINGS. THEY'RE NOT EVEN SEEN IN STOCKTON. EVEN THOUGH I'M FROM MANTECA, I'M SUPPORTING YOU GUYS. JUST WHY? BECAUSE I SAW A CHANGE WAS COMING TO STOCKTON WHEN I WENT AND ATTENDED ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND, I'M SORRY, ALL THE GET TOGETHERS THAT WERE HAPPENING. AND I SAW THERE WAS A CHANGE COMING WITH A NEW MAYOR AND A FEW NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME, AS MAYOR HAS STOPPED TO MENTION ANYBODY BY THE NAMES. SO THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE is that change is the law of nature. I heard a lot of comments that I've done this, I've done that, this person has done that. He has connections with a lot of higher authorities. It's not about the connections with the higher authorities. It's the connections with the citizens of the city. You don't need higher authorities who have connections where. The people need the connections with this council over here. And another gentleman said $11,000 paying for someone to do their job. Come on, this is... Some of these council members only get paid $29,000. And, I mean, the city managers, I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to say that, they get $29,000. I mean, that's a lot of money. That's taxpayers' money right there. There should be something looked into that one as well. I'm not sure how much the President of the United States gets paid. But with all that money, there should be betterment coming to this city. I mean, Mayor, you have a strong team. God has given you a few. Great council members, literate, who are fighting for the constituencies, please make a change. And I've always thought that this council was going to be the best in the United States of America, but my hopes are going down. Usually I have great here, but today I didn't have time to come. That concludes the items we've added from 12.5. Okay. So then let's just go ahead and go down the list then. 12.2 Pat Barrett. Steve Colangelo. event, event, event, event, event management, education, certified, certified. That's his resume. Sorry, but that doesn't work for this city. Somebody had mentioned outsiders don't work good here. Let me tell you something about outsiders. Outsiders don't work really good here for the simple reason is that this council, or the past council I should say, the people of Stockton, want to stay in a sleeping community. You know, you know, outside the city there are progressive behaviors. People want services. People want things to happen in our city. We need to move forward in our city. And that's why it doesn't work really good because you're butting heads with people that want to go to sleep and not people that want to move forward. We need an outsider. Either that or we need Will Crew or Chad Reed to step up. I don't know if we have any applicants yet. We need to extend that another month because if there's no applicants left in three weeks to go, we're in trouble. Three hours today was a little bit out of control for when we already said no, you already voted seven to say no. The attorney, was accused of something that she never should have been accused of. Tina McCarty is doing, accused of, falsely accused of wrongdoing. She needs to come back. Y'all need to figure this one out. Steve Colangelo is your henchman. That's all he is doing. He's doing the bidding and he's doing the firing. When somebody comes up here and talks and smiles, talks about him positively, you're always smiling. This has got to stop. This is not for you to choose to smile when you're supposed to choose. Bless you. And when somebody comes up here and talks about a council member, that council member should not be laughing at that person. Don't talk about drama and then part of it. So moving on then to the consent agenda. So we've pulled, we've removed 12.5, pulled 12.2, pulled 12.15. 12.21 and 12.17. And 12.20 also for public comment. 12.20? Yes. So we'll go to 12.2. We need to do the vote for consent. Do I have a motion for the rest of consent? So moved. Second. Motion is second. Council, please vote. MOTION CARRIES 7-0. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MR. REED. ITEM 12.2. SO THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM AND THE FACT THAT OUR QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT SHOWS OVER 1,600,000,000 AND SOME CHANGE, $775,169, WHICH IS UP 33 MILLION SINCE THE QUARTER BEFORE THAT. AND THERE ARE FIVE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT THAT MONEY IS IN RIGHT NOW. Can you do us a solid by telling us what those five different funds are and what that money is supposed to be for? So I have Gideon Chattery, deputy city manager. I have some support here tonight from our investment consultant who can speak to the different funds. I can speak to the majority of these funds are restricted, right? So kind of the first thing that we wanna talk about. So when we talk about restricted funds, what does that mean? It's money that we can't use it's committed for other things that would be employee benefits general liability fund our workers comp our health fund retirement our utilities fund is a is a big chunk of this waste and recycling economic development parking and entertainment. So while the the number is large and we're very proud of that number it's it's not a number that that we can dig into. Right. We kind of go back to our budget process. When we met at our study session and when we adopted the budget the actual number of general reserve is around 140 million. So that's the actual number that we did that we have to work with in the sense of working capital known contingencies or reserve funds and then our risk based reserves. OK. So. you were saying like our mud our water our utility that is in our reserve portfolio then correct okay and then the BMO main account all these are in in our investments but they're part of the reserve speaking up behind go ahead and so I think your question was you wanted to know what the different breakdown of the different portfolios that we have. And so we have our reserve portfolio, which along with me, we have, it's for, majority of it is our long-term investment portfolio. And so with us, I have Justin Resquelo, who is our PFM Asset Manager. So he's one of our managing partners who does all the investment things for the city. And then we have a short-term portfolio that is in our portfolio with our Chandler. Which is what? Chandler. It's another investment portfolio that we have. But it's broken. So we have two asset managers, and they maintain and do all the stuff to help grow our investment portfolio. And that money is reinvested. It's reinvested. And so then we have our BMO bank account. which is for our daily cash flows. Our California Asset Management is another tool that we use to maximize our money and this is more of a short term where liquidity, when we need it, we can pull it right away. And that's also with our local agency investment program, LAFE. And so both those two programs are state programs that we're able to tap into and maximize our growth for income. So the the 33 million then is that just our dividend or our uh compounding interest. So so 33 million isn't necessarily our our um growth on investment. That is just a change of what we have from our cash. So within the last quarter from one quarter from March 30th to now, or June 30th, we've grown. So that includes our daily cash receipts and things of that nature. So it's not all investment activity growth. Because the quarter that ended March 30th was 32 million. Right. And now this one is 33 million. So I'm just wondering if that's a trend or if that fluctuates. It's just the way it fluctuates. So we have a lot of income, you know, it's based on our cash. So, I mean, our cash receipts. So our cash receipts are part of this, and that's our revenues. So just to help clarify that a little bit, the $33 million isn't what the fund made. The $33 million is with contributions with revenue added to it. The actual investment, the interest portion that we made off our money is around $7.4 million. So while you had the 32 million in change or the 33 million in change, there's a lot of other numbers that went into that. That's not what the fund made in interest. Does that make sense? Yes. Well, and the reason I bring this up is because council, we're always looking for money. Yes. We're always looking for revenue. We're always looking for opportunities where we can do more things in our community. And so that's why, you know, I was asked a couple questions about it and I hadn't dove in this deep. And so, hearing that, I will allow, you know, other council members if you have any questions on this item. Otherwise, I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Okay, council please vote. Motion carries 7-0. Okay, moving on then to item, the next one in order is 12.15. Dr. Lytle. I don't know if some of that millions we were just talking about will be going to this project, but... I don't believe so. So the Delta Water Supply Project, very important, provides water for how many thousand residents? 200,000 people on a daily basis. 200,000 people on a daily basis. Now, this is a change order. I know that we are expanding or altering slightly what we're doing there. Is that... Maybe I could explain it to you for a quick minute. Dr. Lytle with Municipal Utilities. What Mayor Fugazi is speaking about is our Delta Water Treatment Plant which is located just north of Stockton on Lower Sacramento Road if you've ever been there. What we are doing is going to we are going to build what they call groundwater recharge basins. We're going to build three of them. at that location that will allow us to better use the water that the city has promised that water will be able we will be able to store that water underground in the aquifer that will allow us to have greater resiliency when we have droughts and things of that nature what happens is once the water is stored in the underground, we can use wells in the city to pump it back out and serve our customers. And so that's what it'll be. On top of that, it'll also be a very good public outreach tool that will allow citizens from the community to come to the location. There's a design for the construction of a small park that'll have kiosks that'll be able to teach young schoolchildren about groundwater and water supplies here in Stockton in this area. On top of that it will meet our obligations to the overall groundwater basin for the future. And so that's what the project's about. Happy to answer any questions. So on that there's one key question I have then. There is even though it's a five point seven million dollar right change order correct this money is not coming from our general fund we actually have funds already allocated for it we do have funds allocated also we received just about three million dollars in grants for the project as well so then we're only about 2.7 million in but from is it total utility fund then correct total project cost is about 17 million Um, the increase in the costs were due to some design changes that will make the project better. And, uh, and that's what it's all about. Okay. No questions from council? No. I was going to make a motion. Go ahead. Motion to approve? Second. We have a motion and a second. Council, please vote. Council approves it seven zero moving on to a twelve point one seven that was pulled by a member of the public. Mary Elizabeth. Mary Elizabeth Stockton resident and here again City Council successor agency Stockton Public Financing Authority, Stockton Parking Authority. What's meeting? What's missing? Stockton, City of Stockton Groundwater Sustainability Agency. You are a sustainable agency. You have requirements under SGMA to do public outreach. And it's not having the municipal utility department director come and speak a few words. The citizens of Stockton, the residents of Stockton, need to be able to have a voice in groundwater issues by state law. Thank you. That was the only comment. Okay. Pleasure of the council. motion to approve second motion carries 7-0 moving on to 12.20 that was pulled by a member of the public Mary Elizabeth Thank you very much and I am so proud of environmental health and I'm proud to be a registered environmental health specialist myself with the state of California and I appreciate you know the leadership that environmental health has taken. The city of Stockton has fallen far behind in implementing the waste rules that were in the contract with waste management. regarding the plastic food ware and this organic waste. So why I come here and I say this is while environmental health inspectors are going to be doing an inspection, I hope that there will be somebody in the chain of command in public works that is going to be knowledgeable of what those inspection reports are going to show and what they mean. so that when they get the inspection reports, because Environmental Health made it very clear that they are not going to be doing any enforcement for the city of Stockton, that there's somebody in the city of Stockton that's going to know what to do with those inspection reports and not just store them someplace. But it's very important for our climate that we get a control and also for our landfill spaces. So a big part of this organic waste diversion is to save room for the next generation to have some landfill so that we don't have to make another new landfill. And on that last note, I hope and pray that there is going to be no transfer station in front of Edison High School. Thank you. That concludes public comment for this item. So I do have a question on this item. only because it does say that Public Works continues to expand its workforce to fulfill all responsibilities under this. So do we have current vacancies for this role? We do have vacancies right now, but we are working with HR, and we're doing recruiting for them. In fact, we had interviews today. Oh, wonderful. Yeah. I was going to say Mary Elizabeth, maybe when you retire, if you do. So, okay, and how many positions do we have available for this? I believe there's two inspectors. Two inspectors. And how often will they be disseminating any of that to council and to the public? Will there be a place like on our website where we can be also following along as the reports are submitted? Yes. I mean, we can talk about like some kind of a reporting metrics and then make that transparent and post it on our site, kind of like we do with some of the OPDA data that we collect. Well, and even water. We post water information regularly, but this wouldn't be as frequent. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. We got a motion and a second. Council, please vote. Motion carries 7-0. Okay. Item 12.21. You're doing that one too, huh? I'm going to do it. Let's do it. Okay. The police interceptors. I just want to make sure for the public as well as council to understand these police interceptors, the cost for them, which is roughly, what, $6.4 million. But that's not just for the... interceptor alone but this is also for outfitting it with the proper equipment in order for people for our law enforcement to do their jobs uh yes and so police interceptors are the patrol vehicles that we use we have a life cycle for those vehicles as you can see from the replacement replacement list most of these vehicles are 8 to 11 years old so they definitely need to be replaced the cost to replace the vehicles themselves is roughly 1.7 million then the cost to upfit them is almost a million dollars so they are not cheap um however um we uh the police department utilizes them these are the the best rated police pursuit vehicles that we can get and be able to carry um people in the back of them if you would right so i um uh yeah uh And this is from restricted funds that are specifically for equipment replacement, some of it from the ISF Fleet Services Fund? So all the funding for this project to approve this is from the ISF Fund, so that's the Internal Service Fund. It is a restricted fund. The police department pays into it annually, and that's how we create the money to be able to replace these vehicles as they come due. Okay. And then the last thing from me, you know, so Folsom, Folsom Lake Ford. Yeah. You know, we have Big Valley Ford. You know, I realize it's a competitive bid process, but I'd like nothing more than for us to do as local as possible. And I don't know if that's a matter of, I know it's a sealed bid submission. It is. And how far off was it? So this process, we did not go out to bid. We went off the state contract, which is a competitively bid contract. Any Ford dealer in the state of California can bid on it. Folsom Lake Ford was the winner, so they produce the best price. For everybody statewide? Statewide. However, I will go out on a limb, and I will tell you, we were probably Big Valley Ford's biggest customer, especially in the sense of parts. um service we we utilize big folly ford they're a great partner so we appreciate their business and we give a lot of business to them so thank you so much you're welcome any questions from council on the interceptors nope okay i will move to approve second council please vote Motion carries 7-0. Okay, moving on to item 15.1 then, the Stockton Economic Stimulus Plan. I know Ms. Ocasio's been waiting, I would say all night, but she's probably been waiting a couple years for this item. Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. Stephanie Ocasio, Community Development Director. Just pull up my notes here. Oh, is that being switched? Actually, before we present this item, I need to ask if there are any disclosures. This is on the Stockton Economic Stimulus Plan. Is that correct, City Attorney? Yes, Mayor. Okay. So, Vice Mayor. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, before we get started on this, I do want to disclose that I did have a meeting with John Beckman from BIA and I did a tour of Westlake with the Spanos organization and there was a discussion around this item. Do we need to disclose if there were any financial, any financial donations? Give me one moment to double check. Council Member Enriquez. Thank you, Mayor. I'll just echo what the Vice Mayor shared so far that I too also was able to meet with Mr. Beckman and get a tour of the Westlake in connection to this as well. I did speak with a member of the Patman family. I spoke to Mr. Spanos a couple weeks ago and Mr. Beckman and I just exchanged email. Anybody else? I want to disclose that I had a discussion and a tour with Mr. Beckman of the Westlake proposed project. I also had a discussion, but not a tour. Okay, Mayor. For clarity, I believe that the question was, is the council's consideration and potential approval of the CESP renewal, does that fall within the Levine Act requirements with regard to campaign contributions? Is that right? And the answer is no. So when I read through the definition, it applies to licenses and permits, entitlements for use, entitlements for land use, contracts, and franchises. And this is a program, and so you're okay with regard to campaign contributions. Thank you. Council Member Blauer. I also spoke with a member of the Patman family, Beckman, and had the tour of Westlake, but I don't remember talking about it on that. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. Ms. Ocasio, see perfect timing. Perfect. Okay, just bringing us back to the subject at hand, I am bringing before you an update on the Stockton Economic Stimulus Program as per the request of the council. Again, per your request, a program update has been prepared for your review and consideration. As a part of that update, staff has provided program background and summary of fees waived to date in your staff report. We also included the program's employment effect, a discussion of financial impacts, and potential options for the council's consideration. The CESP program provides eligible projects with discounts, also known as waivers, of specific public facilities fees. These are also called PFFs in shorthand and are authorized under Assembly Bill 1600, which was enacted in 1989. These fees are charged towards new development to cover their impact on city services and infrastructure. The Stockton PFF program includes 12 fee categories, including administration, and four pass-through fees, which are collected for external agencies. The particular fees waived by CESP are city office space, community recreation centers, library, police stations, street improvements, fire stations, parkland, and then the city administration fee. Just a note, parkland fee is not charged on non-residential permits. CESP was established in 2015 and implemented in early 2016. The intent was to stimulate the housing as our economy was still recovering from the Great Recession and to incentivize local job creation. The program initially had a cap of 1,000 single-family residences and 500 multifamily residences with a 50% certified... self-certified local hire requirement, as well as BIA and NAACP coordination for the inclusion of disadvantaged communities. A study conducted by UOP, per the BIA's request at the time, provided projected program impacts, including 3,700 jobs for every 1,000 single-family residences, of which about 2,100 were attributed to construction. CESS created the following fee waivers by development type. A 100% discount across eight categories for single-family and multi-family development. A 50% discount across seven categories, excluding parks, for commercial and industrial development. Applicants must apply for the residential waivers, whereas commercial industrial discounts are automatically applied. The amounts listed on this slide are the total amounts per development type. So for example, We have residential, single family. It's $19,919.61. Moving all the way down to industrial, we have $1,192.58 per 1,000 square feet. Shouldn't have a dollar sign there. CESP has evolved since 2015 and was amended in 2018 and in 2019, resulting in the current iteration that you have today. Currently, there's no caps on residential permits. Multifamily does not require a local hire requirement, and there's no formal sunset specified. The sunset is contingent upon the adoption of an updated PFF program and accompanying fees. In total, as of December 31st, 2024, CESP has waived $76 million... $927,664 in residential public facilities fees. The breakdown between single family and multifamily is provided before you. So about 68.9 million in single, 7.98 in multifamily. In total, As of December 31st, 2024, CESP has waived $17,082,004 in non-residential PFFs. And that breakdown is split by, we have office, retail, and guest rooms, as well as industrial. FROM JANUARY 1, 2016 TO DECEMBER 31, 2024, THE UNDUPLICATED ANNUAL NUMBER OF JOBS AS A RESULT OF CESP DID NOT MEET THE UOP PROJECTIONS. SPECIFIC FIGURES ARE HERE. WE HAVE THE PROJECTIONS ON THE LEFT AND THE ACTUAL ANNUAL AVERAGES ON THE RIGHT. IN TOTAL, CESP HAS WAIVED $94,009,668 AS OF DECEMBER 31, 2024. The most impacted categories are street improvements and parks, leading to unfunded CIP projects. As directed, staff has met with local stakeholders to discuss potential ways to amend the program. Four options have been drafted for your consideration. They are maintain the current CESP program as is, upon which those fees would expire upon new PFF fees being adopted. Second option is grandfathered and phased. where all entitled projects, which essentially means they've already gone through the approval process, and projects deemed complete, which means they've been deemed complete by staff and they're currently in the system being processed and reviewed, would receive the current CESP waivers. All other projects that are not entitled or deemed complete would need to pull their permits within the next 18 months to receive gradually reduced waivers. Those waivers would be decreased every six months by 25% until there's no more waiver. The third is gradual phase-out, where all projects, regardless of status, would need to pull permits within the next 24 months to receive gradually reduced waivers and discounts. The amount waived will be decreased every four months by 15% until no waiver is given. The fourth and final option is the elimination of CESP, where waivers and discounts would either cease immediately or at a specified date as determined by the council. This concludes staff's report. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Vice Mayor. Thank you, Mayor, and thank you, Ms. Ocasio. So looking at this, and I had a meeting earlier with deputy city manager or acting city manager crew to understand this a little bit more. As I mentioned earlier, I did meet with Mr. Beckman about it. I guess my initial question in looking at this number, and again, not having all the history sitting up here or on the other side over the years, how did we get here with $94 million of wave fees? The program has evolved. So the original program was created to help spur development and help create local jobs. The economy, I think it's hard to predict. So through past council action, the program evolved where there was no longer a cap. So then that opened it up to more use. And then there has been an increase in housing development of recent years, particularly post-2019, where the amount of waivers has increased a lot at a faster pace. So the culmination of all the waivers across development types has led to that 94 million. And so what's been the benefit to the city to waive this amount of fees? I mean, when we look at the budget and we look at some of the financial challenges and the financial health of the city, it just doesn't make sense that, again, we can't go back in time. It doesn't make sense that we waive this amount of money when we know we just had to cut the budget by $15.2 million. So, and this is not all your responsibility, so I'm just trying to understand the history in terms of how we as a city make sense of this. So public facility fees are part of the development fees that go into whether housing or industrial or retail, and it's just one part. So there's permit fees, there's impact fees, there's their own internal costs like loans, construction loans, land acquisition, etc., So the thought process behind it was by decreasing the cost to develop said housing, that that would encourage more housing and that would help the local economy through the provision of extra housing. More housing, more people, more shops, that that kind of trickle down effect. So that was the intention. Without a full economic study to literally study the impacts of this specific program, it's hard to know what the true impacts were. I'm reporting on the statistics and data that I have available as staff. We could look into the economic if you'd like, but I don't have that today. Yeah, no, thank you. Let me just get at what I'm trying to understand. I did tour Westlake, beautiful development, and that's not in my district. I had a very honest conversation with the developer who's phenomenal at developing that project. that I of course want to see develop in my district. You know we've done a lot of work to talk about how we're going to build out District 6. And as you know there's lots of interest from the members of my community who have been asking for retail, been asking for more residential. And so these fee waivers, I guess I'm trying to understand, is this something that if we consider an option tonight and start to move on that, this council, what authority do we have to consider other waivers for another particular district where we need to increase development? Is there flexibility there? How does that work? So this is a true council policy program. So you have the authority there on the dais to determine how you want to treat this, amend it, change it. Whatever you'd like to do, this comes from you. So you could change it how you'd like. Okay, then the last, we want to say something. Okay, the last thing is I do remember at one council I asked for a study session on all of the development fees. I don't know that we ever got that. because I still need to understand all of the different fees that are out there who's getting what fees whatever I will say just at a glance and we'll get into the details of what recommendation or what where we want to go with this but at a glance ninety four million dollars in fee waivers in in in a city where we are struggling to figure out how to increase our finances it's crazy uh... just on the surface also I believe that as a city that has a lot of development needs throughout the city, not just in one community, but throughout the city, I know that there's a huge need to continue to develop, fix our infrastructure. So I'm interested in seeing this conversation and learning more about how we identify the areas where these fees are needed. So if I may go back in history. to say how this all came about. Mr. Beckman and I met way back when because there was development happening everywhere but Stockton at that time. And he proceeded to give me Lodi's fees, Stockton's fees, other cities' fees, and we kind of lined them up. And Stockton was, you know, several thousand dollars more. And so we wanted to spur that development. but at that time we gave a limited number we said a limited number of residential single-family residential per district and then we had multi-family well we found that there were some districts that not a single we got regular reports and not a single permit was pulled in some districts where other districts people were clamoring at them so then we said a number like a thousand they'll be a thousand first come first serve whatever district they're in is whatever district they were in and we really wanted to get the multi-family in there but there still weren't many bites until the Patman they came across it and so at that point hey guess what we're getting some of that that tax sharing we're getting you know, real estate taxes, we're getting a percentage of that. So I look at this number, and yes, it's very daunting to hear, you know, that our PFFs have been, you know, decimated in some respects. And then when you see, you know, some of the things in here that we've been talking about, yeah, it is where we are. I will say that when I was on council, I didn't, think it would continue in perpetuity but it really wasn't talked about because guess what building was people were building homes they were building homes people were buying homes and then of course I get back up here and then I'm like hey whatever happened with Stockton Economic Stimulus Plan so that's just kind of the long and the short of it and I know we have public comment so but yeah do you mind OKAY, SO IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, I'LL JUST MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MARY ELIZABETH? SO, VICE MAYOR, I WILL SEND YOU MY ANALYSIS. THE YEAR BEFORE LAST, WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME UP, I WAS DUMBFOUNDED that we were giving away this money to the most wealthy in our community when the needs are often in other areas. And that the stakeholders, when she talks about stakeholders, she's not talking about the people, right? She's talking about those that are going to benefit from this kickback, which is what I call it, a waiver of fees. Now, I think it's unreasonable. I would definitely recommend eliminating it and then starting anew with focusing on exactly what you want to incentivize. We already know we can build some fancy houses up north. Now, the thing that you haven't heard is that I didn't know until the Amazon project came in when the city of Stockton worked the numbers to say that it was going to be an improvement in air quality, that the Nexus study that is the basis of these PFFs haven't been updated since 1991. None of these fees have been adjusted for inflation since 2010. Thank you. Yeah, she's right. John Beckman. Good evening, Mayor Fugazi and council members. And Mayor Fugazi, thank you for the refresher on how we got here and what happened back in 2015 and all the way through. In 2019, as you pointed out, the fees were extended for the second time. And at that point, the fees were put in place until a new nexus study was adopted to replace them. And on the slide, there's several line items of fees. There's the park fees, which potentially could have a nexus study done by the end of this year. There's the utility fees, which potentially could have a new fee study done early next year. There's the street and transportation fees that could potentially have those studies done mid to late next year. And then the public safety fees. All of these are extended over a period of time. And I will tell you that since 2019, when this was extended until a new fee study was adopted to replace the suite of fees, every single investor who's considering investing in the city of Stockton calls me and wants to know about this CESS program. And they say, hey, we're thinking about buying some land or starting a project, but we're concerned that this fee waiver might go away. And every single one of those investors that called me, I point to the ordinance on your website that says the fees will remain in place until the new Nexus study is adopted. And so that's what everybody's been relying on. We worked with staff to come up with a proposal to do something sooner, quicker, to get rid of the waiver faster, and that is option two. And that's why we support option two to quickly... move forward with eliminating the fee waiver, but doing so in a way that doesn't frighten any future investors or harm existing investors in the City of Stockton. Thank you. That concludes public comment for this item. I declare the public hearing open. So sorry. Yes, it just hit me. Sorry. Are there any more questions for Ms. Acasio while she's here before I close the public hearing? Did you have more questions for her? I have questions. And I appreciate Mr. Beckman's uh... saving anyone i ran for office i didn't take any money from anybody so i'm not obligated or in any way required to think for anybody but the people uh... but the people do include our developers and what i saw and what i've learned in meeting a lot of different people in meeting with mister beckman is that and i've said this to you directly you're here advocating on behalf of all the people that you talk to with respect to what they need and nobody's called me about what i need in my district nobody's called me about what we're going to do to build District 6, how we're going to go ahead and put in more houses, how we're going to build more shopping centers. That is my interest. That is why I sit up here. That is what my passion is about. I've made that clear to every single person that you represent that has had the honor of meeting with me and me having the honor to meet with them. And I stay true in that. I don't feel a desire to waive fees for anybody that's only focused on developing in one part of the town. And I'm not saying that that is the interest of your whole group. But again, I've had more phone calls and more outreach over something that's not a priority in my district right now, District 6. What I love about the direction of this council under the mayor's leadership and when we ran, we talked about the first should be last, the last should be first. And so while I don't want to cause a disruption to anybody's business, I do want to make their business my business, and my business is District 6. What are we doing to build District 6? What are we doing to bring a balance to our city? This is a time under this council where we want to prioritize bringing more balance and having a one-stocked experience with those kids in my district who can't find a healthy grocery store, who can't find a clinic, who can't find a pharmacy because it's not there. That is a priority for me. When I drove around Westlake, I was just, I mean, it's beautiful. I would want to live there. It's amazing. But if I brought my family from District 6 out there and had to take them home, what city do they think they live in? And that is a broader conversation that is not the responsibility of the BIA and it's not the responsibility of our development partners who have done a phenomenal job building the city. This is just a moment where we can have the discussion about what we are doing and what direction we're going in. And so what I would say is that somebody who has lots of resources for himself, I come from a place where I didn't have that. And so when we look at a sheet that says we've waived as a city $94 million, and I know I drove around that $250 million development, one has to just take a beat to say, what are we doing? How are we prioritizing the entire city? Because I would be disingenuous to sit here and just vote because it makes one side of town happy when i know the other side of town is saying what about us so i just put that out there and we'll listen to the rest of what my colleagues have to say but i appreciate you all for giving me opportunity to say that on behalf of my district uh do question do we have any data that um discusses the uh you know the um real estate taxes on that we've been able to collect on all of these? I'm sorry, I didn't ask for it sooner. So I would have to work with ASD to determine those property tax amounts. I do believe you received public comment from the BIA regarding some of the stuff they pay into. I could bring that back at a future meeting for you, but I do not have that available. Okay, thank you. Council Member Blauer? I just want to say that I do remember back in 2016, talking about this program back then and when it came on. As the real estate guy up here, I've said it before and say it again, we do have a critical housing shortage. There's a great, great need for more housing here in our community. I think, you think about this has been here up and running for nine years, and I think about how much fewer housing stock we would have had this program not been there. That being said, you know, I think at the time I didn't think it was going to go on forever either. So I do think that, you know, taking a look at it makes sense. I'm always a strong proponent of fairness. And so I think number four to just eliminate it and have everybody that has anything in the pipeline be cut off, I don't think that's fair. I think that people made decisions to invest in our community. based on this program being in place. So I think one doesn't make sense to just do nothing. I think four doesn't make sense to just completely eliminate it. And that leaves the two and three. And I think grandfathering things in, the people that, you know, already have entitled projects, they've already gone through all that process, to just move the goalpost on them and change things up to me just doesn't, Doesn't seem fair. So I'd say I'm leaning towards probably two. Council Member Enriquez. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, just a couple questions. Thank you again, Ms. Ocasio, for this presentation and to Mr. Beckman for presenting. Just for a point of clarification, background program timeline slide 2019. I think I know what the answer is, but just in case, I want to make sure. The third bullet, remove local hire requirement for multi-family projects. And this is a city council motion in August 20th, 2019. That was removed because our local multi-family housing developers were having a hard time finding specific trades that were local. And because they have specific needs to build multi-family housing, they were finding it very difficult. So they asked the council at the time saying, I can't get people to build it because they're out of town. And so the council at that time said, we hear you, you don't have to have local hire. And is that still an issue today in 2025? Well, they no longer need the local hire, so it's not an issue because it's no longer a requirement. Thank you. And then also the few slides later on, residential fee amounts, you had said, correct me if I'm wrong, you said street improvements and you said parks are the biggest hits of lost revenue from the city because of these fee waivers? Yes. So when we talk about public works obviously I know I was talking about potholes but you know when we have to tell our constituents that we can get full repayment done it's always because of our limited budget but let's say had we had this who knows the full breakdown of what you have the 63 million for street improvements hypothetically let's say these these fee waivers didn't exist we would have 63 million dollars in our budget for street improvements? Or how does that work just for the public? Certainly. So public facility fees are only to offset the impact of new development. It is not for maintenance. It is not for deferred maintenance. It is only for that nexus established that said project triggered this need, like a road widening, for example, or a road extension, or a bike path. Those are all the questions I have. Thank you. Councilmember Villapuja. Yes, second mayor. You mentioned the hiring that they don't do the local. How long ago was this that they made that decision of just hiring outside, not local? That was in 2019. Now, is that something that could be changed? And as well as the percentage of hiring, can it go higher from 50% to 60 to 75%? So this is a council-derived policy program, so it is the pleasure of the council to change it how you see fit. Yeah. Well, I do like option two. I don't know how my colleagues feel, but I believe that should hire more local, and I think the percentage should also go higher from 50 to 60 or even 70. That's just how I feel. Thank you. Yeah, and that local hire was, again, something that we worked on because we wanted – TO HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WORKING, YOU KNOW, SO THEY COULD MAYBE BE THE ONES, TOO, THAT MAYBE BUILD THESE OR, I MEAN, BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO BUY THESE OR LIVE IN THEM IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. BUT IT BECAME A MONITORING, LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NIGHTMARE, BUT IT BECAME VERY DIFFICULT TO MONITOR IT, CORRECT? THE WAY THE PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED IS THAT IT'S SELF-CERTIFICATION. SO THERE HAVE BEEN OCCASIONS WITH CERTAIN applicants where it is difficult to get said certifications so it could be challenging at times yeah and we didn't have any teeth in it or anything like that at the time you were correct so that could be something uh to look at and then uh the question i had for other question i had for you is okay we we've been talking about these fees since i was on planning commission the the fact that you know we haven't gotten there so what is it going to take for us um outside of staff time, do we need to hire a couple staff members in order to get this done? I hate to tell you that we lost our program manager that was leading the effort. Another city poached him. Is there someone we can poach? I'm trying. I'm trying to poach people. So we are working diligently, and we do plan to have initial draft, like the Nexus study, the draft fees ready. I want to say we should be receiving those from the consultant in September. At that point, I need to send it to city manager's office for their review and concurrence. Upon that blessing, then we can release it for public review. We're going to work with our stakeholders in the IWG group. It'll be posted online for anybody to comment on. And then we will then present it to you for your review and direction. So is that 2026 then? You know, yeah, that sounds correct, just because we don't want to rush it, right? It's taken this long. We want to do a good job. We want to give everybody the opportunity to speak to it. So that's going to take working with our partners, and obviously city manager's office needs to bless it. Okay. Vice Mayor? Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I mean, first of all, thank you for the presentation. Is this open or closed? It's still open. Okay. Yeah. close the public hearing thank you mayor thank you um yeah no thank you sal for the the presentation and for meeting with me to help bring me up to speed and thank you to john and to uh the development team out out there at the west lake um uh property i was driving around and i said i need this in my district i need this in my district and i meant that i'm not saying that because and i'm gonna make some calls But what I would like to do is, I mean, I would like to get more information. This is a lot to digest in one meeting. I really want to spend time with staff, understand. I want to spend time with the mayor to understand more history. And Mr. Beckman did send over a letter. I was traveling. I told you I didn't have time to meet. I do want to give full consideration and thought to it. And I'd like to make a motion to continue this item to the next meeting. If we can get a second to move on that. I want to do proper due diligence. Second. motion and second council please vote motion carries six to one councilmember Villapuda dissenting so if I may through the mayor for clarity so we're meaning the August 26th meeting that was just added to the calendar thank you thank you okay okay moving on then to item 16.1, new business. Do we need disclosures on this Westlake Villages? I think we kind of already did it in the last one. No, Mayor. Good evening Mayor City Council Carmen Barragan debt and treasury manager with the City of Stockton. I'm here for sixteen point one to adopt resolution authorizing the issuance of special tax bonds for and be on behalf of improvement area four of the City of Stockton Community Facilities District twenty eighteen dash two Westlake Villages approving and directing the execution of a physical agent agreement improvement approving the form of preliminary official statement approving the sale of such bonds and approving other related documents and actions. With me tonight I have Ken Deeker with Del Rio and Associates who will be doing the presentation for us. Good evening mayor members of council Ken Deeker with Del Rio advisors municipal advisor to the city. I had the opportunity to meet with some of you one-on-one and do a little bit of CFD discussion. And so I do have a brief presentation at the Council's Druthers. I'm happy to go through that, or I can answer any questions if you'd rather go that route. So let me know, okay? Make sure I get to the right place here. Uh-oh. Okay, so just a little bit of brief background here. The Westlake Villages II was formed in June of 2018. It was part of an original Westlake Village project that was in 2006, and there was a portion of that completed before the Great Recession. Then a new district was carved out of the remaining undeveloped property. Again, it was formed in 2018. In 2020, the original improvement area was split into improvement areas one and two. And then in 2021, improvement area two was then split into improvement areas three and four. All together, there are 2,186 residential units planned for this subdivision. Currently, there's 1,240 single-family residential units improved for improvement area number four. 511 units are being developed by Lennar and 378, let's see, was it, let's see, Lennar owned, yeah, Lennar owned the whole thing. Right now, there's 729 planned units that are in the undeveloped portion of improvement area one. Right now, the term of the improvement area goes to 2071-72, and bonds are approved up to $90 million, and this would be the first series of bonds for improvement area four. We do anticipate future series as development occurs. The project area is the blue in the left-hand corner. That's improvement area number four around that lake there with the circular road down in the lower left-hand corner, and encompasses a whole bunch of villages, and I'm not going to go through those. Currently, there is $90 million maximum authorization for improvement area four. We have set a not to exceed issue size for this first series at 30 million. We do expect the bonds to be in about 26.2 million. 30 year term, debt service will escalate 2% annually, consistent with the escalation of the special taxes. Total compensation and total underwriters cost for all of this stuff is about 575,000 to issue the bonds. AND IT WILL BE ISSUED AS A NON-RATED PUBLIC OFFERING BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ABOUT 35, 37% DEVELOPED. PROPOSED TIMELINE, SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, WE'LL TAKE THE, WE DO PLAN TO PRICE A SLIGHT CHANGE TO SCHEDULE. WE WOULD PRICE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER AND CLOSE TOWARDS THE END OF SEPTEMBER SO THE PROCEEDS WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME. THERE IS NO IMPACT TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND OR ANY OTHER UNRESTRICTED FUND AS A RESULT OF TAKING THE RECOMMENDED ACTION. AND FINALLY, THERE WERE SEVERAL DOCUMENTS. I'M SURE IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A PHONE BOOK TO YOU IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE TONIGHT. THERE'S A FISCAL AGENT AGREEMENT, WHICH GOVERNS THE BONDS AND THE FISCAL AGENT. PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT, ALONG WITH THE CONTINUING DISCLOSURE CERTIFICATE, THAT'S THE PRIMARY MARKETING DOCUMENT USED BY THE UNDERWRITER TO SELL THE BONDS TO THE PUBLIC. AND A BOND PURCHASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE UNDERWRITER. SO WITH THAT, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. And with us tonight, we do have Rick Brandes from Oppenheimer, and Jim Jemison from the Spanos companies, if you have any other project specific questions. Okay, any questions from council? I do have a question, and it's something that I discussed with Mr. Spanos when we spoke, is the fact that we look at this CFDs, you know, what is the information that's known. So you talk about the small book, well, when you're doing your escrow papers, that's also, it's not even a short story. I mean, it's a stack. And part of it that we discussed about was the education piece on what a CFD is. Because I even have, you know, my little guide on CFDs, you know, Were they assessments? Then were they Melaroos? And now they're CFDs. And we're not saying that there doesn't need to be infrastructure, important infrastructure done. But the fact that the purchaser needs to be very well aware of this. And when you showed the improvement area four, that this isn't like HOAs. HOAs are on top of this. And I know that HOAs are really reasonable. But this number then is divided, right, over their monthly payment or is it attached to their property taxes? Okay, so the property owner pays this as part of their property tax bill. Okay, so when does this drop off? When the final bonds are paid off, so in 30 years. And if we do another bond issue say in a couple years, it would be 30 years. So when the last bond issue paid off, So the taxes will escalate at 2% per year until the completion of the project. And then people will be charged the tax equal to the debt service plus annual administrative costs for a period of time. And ultimately, as series of bonds disappear, the tax will drop off towards the end. So they don't need to vote on it? No, because the district is formed with 100% consent when the developer owns all the property at the time. Right. And then so that 30 years, then it drops off. So are we looking at 50 years for that? Or 40 years to... It depends on how quickly development continues at the pace, a reasonable pace right now. I expect build-out would be in another couple of years probably, somewhere in that five years. So probably have 35 years from the day the last issuance of bonds would happen towards the end of the improvements being completed, not the improvements to homes being completed, 30 years past that date. And growing at 2%? 2% per year. And property taxes is just over 1%? They don't grow at 1% per year. It's based on the assessed value and how much the property grows. Yeah, it's a maximum of 2% per year generally for an existing home. Okay. Okay. Questions by any other council members? Council member Villapudua? Yeah. Just one question, Mayor. What improvements or projects are planned underway with the $90 million bond approval? the improvements that are being put in? Thank you very much for the question Councilmember Villapedua. The improvements that are included in this are 11.2 acre community park, citywide community park, all the roads, the infrastructure in the roads, storm sewer water, all the dry utilities, including community parks within the villages. all of the improvements on 8 Mile Road are included in this. If you've driven out there lately, you'll see that the landscape shoulder is included, the median island that will be part of the ultimate configuration of 8 Mile Road are installed as well. In order to qualify to be part of the CFD, all the work that's been done out there has been done at prevailing wage, so they're higher paying jobs, many of which were done by Stockton companies. Okay. No further questions. Thank you. AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY JUST ONE THING. THESE ARE TAX-EXEMPT BONDS, AND ALL OF THESE ARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED TO THE DEVELOPER AFTER THE CITY ACQUIRES THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT'S ONLY THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE FINANCING HERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL? MOVE TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WAS THAT COUNCILWOMAN PADILLA? OH, SORRY, COUNCILMEMBER VILLAFUDUA. Sorry. Council, please vote. Motion carries 7-0. Thank you. Moving on to item 16.2. This is the Cannery Park East, and I need to ask if there's any disclosures specific for this item. NORTHEAST, SECOND. YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON? OKAY, NO DISCLOSURES. CARMEN BARRAGAN, DENTON TREASURY MANAGER, HERE FOR 16.2. APPROVE TWO RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED FORMATION OF COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT 2025-1, COUNTEREE PARK EAST. AND HERE WITH US TONIGHT IS KEN DEEKER TO DO THE PRESENTATION. GOOD EVENING, AGAIN. So this is a proposed formation of a new CFD called Cannery Park East. So a little bit of background here. The original Cannery Park II was formed in May of 2019. It has a fixed annual special tax of $1,600 per year on single family residential. In addition to that, the city is able to recover administrative costs as part of the special taxes and the services taxes also charged within this district. Total bonded debt is approximately 15 million was approved and today we've issued two series of bonds for 9.9 million and a million and a half dollars. The proposed project is basically has been acquired or was acquired by Gen California 31 LLC, their representative is here this evening. A portion of this was already in CFD 2019-1 or the original cannery part two. So in this particular boundary, in this particular sub area of Cannery Park 2, they will be paying the services tax, administrative fees, the $1,600 per year, and an additional special tax to bring the total tax rate up to about 1.8%. That 1.8% total tax rate is consistent with all the other CFDs in the city, including the one you just approved for Westlake Villages. So it would make these property owners within the sub area of Cannery Park will pay equivalent taxes to what the other people are paying in Westlake Villages. The only disparity here is anybody else that's not inside this particular sub-area will still pay just the $1,600 per year. The developer sold 64 of the lots to Richmond American out of the 311, and Century Communities has 267 lots. And again, the total tax rate is 1.8%, consistent with other CFDs. The boundary here, it's a little bit hard to see, but the lower left-hand corner where you see all the residential lots, that's the other parts of Cannery Park, too. This is the undeveloped property up in the right-hand corner bordering 8 Mile Road and Highway 99. Again, there is no financial impact to the city for the formation of the proposed district. The cost to form the district is estimated at about $39,500, and that has been paid by the developer in a deposit. Ultimately, when bonds are issued, and we're not proposing bonds at this time, the city will receive an administrative fee based on a sliding scale. If the district is approved and when one or more series of bonds are issued, this will not be a debt like any other mellow roof debt. It's not a debt of the city. It's only paid through the taxes levied on the property owners. There's two resolutions for consideration tonight. The first one is the resolution of intention to form a CFD and levy a special tax. There are three primary documents that were in your packet. The rate and method of apportionment governs the special taxes and how the taxes are charged and how property owners can prepay them, everything related to the special taxes. The list of facilities and fees that are eligible to be funded through the issuance of bonds, and a boundary map similar to the one I showed up on the screen. If this is approved tonight, this would basically move to the next step of formation, which is called the resolution of formation at a public hearing. currently scheduled for september twenty third so this is just the first step to move it to the next step of formation the second resolution tonight is the resolution of intention to incur bonded indebtedness it basically would set a limit at fifteen million dollars total that could be issued over the life of this project and again any future approval of bonds would have to come back to council for consideration this is just approving the intent to form the district and the intent to issue bonds or approve the future issuance of bonds. And again, the public hearing is set for September 23rd. So again, staff recommendation is for approval of these two items, and we're here to answer any questions. So I have a question. You saw item 15.1 where we were talking about the Stockton Economic Stimulus Plan. I did. And you saw that we didn't have money for our... parks and our streets. And I know these developments, they're being, their parks and their streets are partially paid for through these bonds, correct? That is correct. So I just point that out because as we look at, it's kind of an oxymoron in the fact that we've reduced fees, but we're adding. It's just the, and I think about what Mary Elizabeth said, you know, The developer is pulling these bonds. The people that are buying them then have to pay for them, and they're getting a break on the development fees. So it does become, like I said, that oxymoron, because the money is there one way or the other. It's just who's paying for it. So that's just my two cents. SO I'M BRINGING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR MOTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES 7-0. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW THE ITEM THAT ALL THOSE THAT ARE STILL HERE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. WE STILL HAVE 24 MINUTES. Okay, so moving on then to 16.3, adopt a resolution for the formation and funding of police substations in Western Ranch and Sierra Vista. Chief. Chief. Hey, stick around, Chief. We're going to be singing happy birthday. Again? Now it's anniversaries for me. in June in June all right good evening mayor and council I'm Chief Stanley McFadden here to present on the establishment of two police substations in South Stockton on June 24th the interim city manager and council directed staff to identify funding sources and potential locations for establishing these substations staff have identified two locations in Western Ranch and Sierra Vista. Wait, is your sleeve rolled up in that photo? I was playing ball. You got to roll up the sleeves. The goal of any community is to feel empowered. And over the last three years, staff has worked very hard to be intentional in the area of South Stockton. Is Pat still here? I'm glad Pat's still here because she made some misinformation saying that the horses don't come to South Stockton. And they've been there several times. So I'll allow you to correct yourself on that one. But it's about a minute and a half video that I'm going to have my partner over here click for me and start. It's just some of the stuff we've been doing. And there is a horse in it. You're making my presentation real fast, aren't you? There we go. Yeah, there is sound, but that's okay. You guys can get the gist of it. More horses, Pat. More horses. Yeah, the short video of that was with the horses trotting and some staff trotting. It was a Special Olympics torch run that we kicked off in South Stockton. Thank you. All right, substations. In 2006, a substation was opened in Western Ranch as part of an initiative to strengthen the relationship between the police department and South Stockton community. This was situated in a Western Ranch center, staffed by a community service officer during regular business hours. Let's go on that. In 2008, in response to a financial crisis, and the data that we had, it was decided that the storefront would be closed. This presentation talks about the restoration and expansion of the substation in Western Ranch as previously provided as well as the designated location in Sierra Vista. The locations that we have would be 1648 East 12th Street in Sierra Vista and 3526 Manthe Road in either Suite B or Suite G. When selecting a location for a substation, the decision inherently involves not choosing other potential sites. Consequently, the feedback will include opinions from those who support the desired location for the substation, as well as those who are not convinced that it is the best use of our resources. Many have expressed their support for the substations in South Stockton by highlighting the following benefits, where they believe it will enhance the community's safety through increased visibility and strong partnerships. Having dedicated officers leads to faster response time for emergency services. Improves access to various services such as reporting crime. Keeps a familiar face in the neighborhood, enhancing relationships between law enforcement and the community. Proactive approaches to crime reduction and community members can take place. It also creates better recruitment opportunities for hiring staff from the community. As with all things, there's always that opposition. Here's some of the comments when it comes to that. Having two substations in the same district in relatively close proximity, while greater needs exist in other parts of the city. Officers at the substations cannot be reassigned to other calls for service. It incurs a financial strain and startup costs. To allocate officers to substations, it reduces coverage throughout the city. which is also long response times uh... other critical instance uh... throughout the city our cars for staffing levels is three seventy which for choice based on a lot of different factors we don't have twenty eight officers i'm eligible for retirement and we have fifty five still in training so i say fifty five so untrained these are not solo beat officer that will respond to a nine one one call for service and and have been cleared to be a solo beat officer. These are 55 officers that are either in the police academy, they're in in-house training, they're about to start an academy, or they're in the field training program with another officer. So they're all in various stages. As you know, our total storm count that we're authorized is 425. We currently have 76 in backgrounds. As far as CSOs, we're authorized 25, and we have seven in backgrounds. As for our police A2s, we're authorized 13 with three more in backgrounds. The Western Rand staffing model would be something like this. It would be two officers from strategic operations working a 410 plan during the week. It would also include one CSO, which we would remove from patrol and would be on a 980 schedule. As for Sierra Vista, it would be two officers also from strategic operations working a 410 plan on weekdays, as well as one police aide, too, that would work various shifts. This slide presents an overview of the total expenses associated with operating the Sierra Vista substation. The primary expenditures include wages, benefits, equipment, and vehicle costs. For one-time funding, estimated about $140,000 is required. Also includes a contingency of 20%, which amounts to approximately $28,000. Therefore, the overall needed one-time funding amount is roughly $168,000 for Sierra Vista. In terms of ongoing costs, the total is projected to be around $605,000. This figure comprises personnel costs of $580,000. Yes, we are just relocating staff that we already have, BUT AS WITH ANY BUDGET, ALL MY UNITS HAVE THEIR OWN BUDGET, WHERE IT'S WAGE, BENEFITS, PERSONNEL, EQUIPMENT, STAFFING, TRAINING. THAT'S ALL MY BUDGETS ARE ORGANIZED. SO IF FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE TO REDUCE STAFFING, REDUCE UNITS, WE DO IT BY THE ENTIRE UNIT, WHICH INCLUDES WAGES AND BENEFITS AND ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES THAT COME FROM EACH DESIGNATED UNIT. WITH THAT, THERE'S ADDITIONAL $30,000 FOR OPERATING EXPENSES. when factoring that that 20% contingency was the ongoing cost rise of approximately $610,000. Overall, the total funding requirement for us here would be $778,000. However, a one-time reduction of $300,000 would be from HUD housing donation, which would be in the fiscal years combined, down to $478,000. This slide provides an overview of the total expenses related to operating the Western Ranch substation. As you can see, there's a significant financial impact compared to Sierra Vistas. In addition to the primary expenditures, which includes wage and benefits, equipment, and vehicle costs, there are also additional one-time and ongoing expenses. For one-time funding, it's estimated that $234,000 is required, along with the necessary contingency of 20%, which amounts to roughly $47,000. Therefore, the overall needed one-time funding amounts to roughly $281,000. In terms of ongoing costs, the total is projected to be around $798,000. This figure comprises of personnel costs of $676,000. Again, though, that wouldn't be the price tag because we're reallocating staffing. Overall, the total funding requirement would exceed $1 million for Western Ranch. also next step would be for mayor and council to adopt a resolution for the formation and funding of the police substations in both western ranch and sierra vista the resolution is including the staff report that you all reviewed with details possible funding sources and potential locations for the new south stockton substations if there's any specifics on the on the financial aspect i see our credible dcm over here to my left that would be happy to answer those Is that what that big stack is for? Okay. Any questions from council? I know I just have a few, but okay. So I saw your current staffing levels and I'm always optimistic when I see these, especially when I see that we're currently at 370 sworn. it's taken us a little bit of time to get there but I'm happy that we're there so looking at those that are in backgrounds so they have to then go through their training right they they have to do their like probationary they do their field training and then probationary period how long does that take yes absolutely so those that remain in backgrounds right now are at least one year for being a solo beat officer because they still have to go through the academy, which is a half a year. Then by the time they go through our in-house POP program and field training, it's another half a year. So it's about a year out. So some of these, though, are they in the academy? Yes. We have actually several in the academy. We have about 17 in the field training program right now, and we anticipate of the 17 in the program, we might keep a quarter of them. That's usually where the biggest challenge for those to go from what they learn in a sterile environment in an academic setting to being actually on the streets of Stockton. It's a big difference. So you said a quarter then, so four and a quarter then? Correct. I mean, no, I'm saying four officers in a quarter. I know what you meant. To 17? Okay. Okay, so that would put us then at 370. Let's just shoot the 375. Do we have anybody then that... Oh, no. So that count is already... That's an all-inclusive count, right? Oh, that 370. So that's from coming on payroll, right? They're on city of Stockton payroll, sworn in. Okay, so how many officers do we currently have that are not probationary or in the academy or field training or whatever? So you would minus about 50 officers, 5-0. So... 320? Yeah. Yeah, I give or take a few. Okay, okay. I didn't anticipate. I just kept thinking. Yeah, for budgeting purposes, you know, it's. Yeah, because we're paying for them anyway. Correct. So with our resources, so as we go through this, I'm just curious as to, you know, when we did our budget, we said we didn't want to. you know, mess with public safety. We knew that this was going to be something that was coming down the pike. How stable are our resources then? Because this is, there is an ongoing expense to this. Absolutely. So our resources for that. So as far as our resources, we're not as stable as I would like to be and I'll tell you why. Is we have 28 folks that are due to retire where we've had retirements in recent months and they retire because we're out of contract. So we have people that are eligible to retire, and they said, well, let's stick around and see what happens with the contract. When there was no contract, they said, well, it's just time to pull the plug. So when I said the priority is to stabilize our resources, and you can't stabilize resources when you're not in contract, which is why I help promotions, because once I start promoting, it shifts down, and then it affects my line-level workers. Okay, with that being said, then, We have in here to put officers in the substations, obviously. Yes. So where would those officers then come from? Well, we would be pulling them not from the beach structures, right? So we wouldn't pull them from those that are responding to 911 calls, right? Because that is always a priority. But where we would be pulling them from, which is our uniform presence in the field that I'm sure all of you have seen at different, they do the sideshows. They do the retail theft operations. They do the encampment cleanups. They do the take back the parks campaigns. It's our strategic officers. So we would be pulling from that unit. How many do we have there? Currently we have nine. Nine. Yeah, plus one sergeant. Then we would have five. Correct. Okay. And then... So with them being, would they then be able to do response, respond to calls in that area then? Or does it have to come from somewhere else? Yes, their priority would be to, the expectation would be that they respond to calls for service in Western Ranch, in Sierra Vista. That would be the only areas they would be responding for calls. Oh, only... Yes, they would be dedicated resources to Western Ramps and Sierra Vista. Okay, okay. Would they not then have other officers that are on patrol? Yes, there's actually officers that would be patrolling the district, but this would be the dedicated personnel that work in the offices there as well. So if there's like a neighborhood watch meeting, it would be those same dedicated officers. If you want a report written in the food for less parking lot, it would be those same dedicated officers. Okay. Okay, I think those are my questions for right now. Okay, Councilwoman Padilla. Thank you, Mayor. I ran on substations when I was running for this seat, I was in support of substations. And knowing that we had one previously in Councilmember Ponce's district and the impact and effect that it has on that but just from a financial standpoint what impact do stub stations have compared to financially compared to a broader like community policing strategy versus a a sole location Got you. I think these days, police is a lot more effective and a lot more mobile, right? Back in the day, you didn't have all the resources in the police vehicle. You would have to be at a station or at a brick and mortar to be able to perform certain functions. It depends on what the community wants, right? The reason why we're effective at policing right now is the strategy we're using, which is through communications or analytics, Our conversation with our law enforcement partners is putting cops on the dot, right, where those locations throughout the city that need visibility, right, and that's throughout the city. When we remove strategically placed officers with certain functions to dedicated areas, It does remove from capacity some, but again, that's where we just have to be more effective and redeploy people in different ways. But as with anything, when you push officers one area, it's taken away from somewhere else, right? There's no way of avoiding that. It's got to come from somewhere, and it's not going to come from those responding 911 calls. So these officers are going to be in a specific location in... the building, not out in the community? Well, they'll be in the community as well, right? They'll report to that building to where they can have community contact with community members where they can answer questions, but they're also expected to be very proactive within that area as well, right? So it's kind of a two-part responsibility, just to maintain visibility at the station, but also be visibility in the area to deter crime and build those relationships as well. It was funny that I was having a conversation with my colleague today, and there's an Instagram principal, and his office is on a rolling cart in all the hallways. And it basically, you know, when kids see the principal coming, their behavior and attitude changes. And so just with a... police car, police officer, you know, regardless if you're doing something good, bad, that presence right there, your behavior is automatically going to change. And so that is why, you know, that's why I asked that question. No, absolutely. You know, that rolling visibility is a huge deterrent. It allows you to increase your footprint. It is a force multiplier, right? Anytime we dedicate ourself to a specific area it decreases that capacity as far as what we can do but also allows us to concentrate on that area as far as needs in that specific area. So it was mentioned that those officers would be taken from the community services departments area. What kind of effect do you think that is going to have on Well, obviously, lack of staff on that department, but as far as morale, workload, adjustments, and so forth. Well, I think a couple things will happen. I'll start specifically as it relates to our strategic operation folks, right? They're incredible at what they do themselves. They're force multipliers, but cutting almost half of their team is going to impact how effective they can be. it would require their lieutenant of the unit to redeploy them, meaning they would have to consider, okay, instead of doing four retail theft rings in these four business malls three times a month, we might need to do it once a month, right? Instead of having this many impact a sideshow... you three are going to have to figure out and try to lean on patrol officers if they're free to come respond. So, again, everything is impacted by every choice and decision that's made. Of course, the highest priority is protecting life and property. But I'll be honest, internal settlements are, you know, we're doing so great being mobile. You know, they like what they're doing. Most officers don't want to sit behind a desk. I'd be concerned if that's what they value in policing. I'd like my officers to be out there, be visible, be mobile, build their capacity, and they build their capacity by those connections, right? If they're at the dedicated area, you can create some extremely strong partnership and relationships where I feel you can have dialogue that is going to help impact crime because they're going to tell you things that are going on. They're going, you know that car that comes here twice a week to food for the last lot? They're doing this, right? So there is value, right? There is value in both. But, again, it's a capacity issue, and it depends on what you guys as a team prioritize. If you prioritize sideshows over retail theft rings or, you know, it's the direction you want to go. And just one last question, and I know every department is – challenged with people calling out sick or vacation time, if these three or six dedicated officers to each, then you're going to have to pull from other departments, correct? Or how does that work? Yes, if the instruction is to keep those substation staff then we would. And then again, I would just pull for strategic operations. Again, I'm not going to pull beat officers that respond for 911. I'm not going to pull those officers that respond to fellow officers or community members call for emergency assistance. We have to keep a certain amount at a position of readiness, regardless of what happens. You know, we can have one active shooter that impacts half of the city, then on the other half of the city have a hostage barricade that probably takes as long as your guys' closed session. So with that, we just have to make sure we have the right resources where they need to be. And I'm sorry, one last question. You said that they're working ten fours, or fours? Yeah, 410. And what are those hours? So that's what they work right now. And that could be a little flexible, but, you know, for the most part, it would be like an 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. shift, which is similar to hours that were there before. Okay. Thank you, Chief. Vice Mayor. Thank you, Mary. Thank you, Chief. I'll be short because there were a lot of questions asked. First, I just want to acknowledge all the work that you and your team did to put this together. When I ran for office, one of the things I heard loudly and one of the first conversations I had with the mayor was, I never lived in Western Ranch. What does Western Ranch need? And we heard public safety, public safety, and we heard about police substations. I heard it everywhere. We knocked on doors. People talked about it. I mean, you know and and i do want to say before we before we get into what i want to say about it uh... i appreciate all the work that your officers have done to build a relationship with the community because it's one thing to put an officer out there is one thing to drive around but to get out the car and establish relational uh... experiences that people then develop trust i mean i i i've watched the work and it's been phenomenal uh... when i first came in as you know i looking at the crime and being from this community, being somebody that's been a survivor of gun violence, the first thing I thought was, okay, community policing. How do we get back to how it used to be growing up where we knew our officers? The conversation that we need to have and that we're having is how do we not just build relationships where when we come in they see and recognize us, but actually understand us, know us, the officers understand the communities that they're serving. and the original exploration was a zero-cost policy of a police commission. I said a police oversight commission or police advisory commission. But as I've watched your leadership, met with your team, and saw the work and the dedication that goes beyond policing, your investment is deeper than just driving around, locking people up. You actually care about the community. So I just want to thank you for that. I also want to acknowledge Housing Authority and their contribution to helping us offset the cost, because when we talk about housing, this topic. I know we have to look at the dollars and cents, but we also have to acknowledge that even with the police cart in the parking lot at Western Ranch, food for less, somebody still was driving around last week with a ski mask on hunting people. And the reality is that a lot of people that are scared to go and shop at the grocery store, food for less, complain a lot about robberies and stuff, as you know, in the parking lot. And I think we just had three people around the ages of 18 and so forth shot in my district last week. So I just want to commend everybody for all the work that we did to figure this out. I want to clear up a couple things because I did hear a conversation or some comments about the idea of the substation being a place where police are just sitting in an office. That's never been the concept, and you know that. Okay. The other thing is that we talked about a phased approach, and we talked about the, what was the center you talked about? I think it was phase three. What is that? Oh, Community Policing Bread Center. So the idea of starting somewhere economically reasonable and then evolving into an experience where the community can come down. And can you just describe that briefly, what that vision was? Yeah, that was a conversation I had where I talked about Community Policing Bridge Center where it would almost be like a one-stop shop. It wasn't policing specific. It was where we could have community development there. We could have libraries there. We could have fire there. OFFERING A NUMBER OF SERVICES ON LIKE VERY DAYS OF THE WEEK TO WHERE ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES WAS THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY IF THEY NEEDED LIKE A TUTOR OR DIFFERENT SOMETHING JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES. AND I KNOW I DID TALK WITH CONGRESSMAN HARDER AND ASSEMBLYWOMAN RANSOM ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE DISTRICT ONE BEING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SEEING WHERE WE CAN GET SOME SUPPORT UNDERSTANDING 2025 HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE EVERYWHERE WITH FINANCES BUT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING WHERE WE CAN BE SUPPORTIVE for two thousand twenty six but again I just want to thank you for all the work that went into getting us here and yeah that's all I have to add. Council member Villalpudo. Yeah thank you Mayor and also thank you Chief for what you do and everyone else. Just a few questions. One is could the officers in MARC for a substation have a bigger citywide impact and other assignments. Now, that's a loaded question, right? Because it almost depends on what people want to prioritize, right? And I know from walking all corners, there are a lot of different priorities that the different communities have in Stockton. Some want to see more two-wheel bicycles rolling, right? That could be deemed equally as important, or some may say that's more important to have officers on bicycles to bring more... be closer and more personable, but still a little bit more capacity than being at a brick and mortar. I get some that want more motorcycles. People love our two-wheelers. We love our two-wheelers out there because when it's congested and we have our priority one call, critical incident, those two wheels get there and they take care of business for us. So a lot of our community members will prioritize wanting more motorcycles on the street. We have those that prioritize just wanting... More strategic officers because they do so many things, right? A lot of our businesses love to have them because they do the retail theft operations. Also, the businesses get impacted a lot from the sideshows, right? So they also like how they impact sideshows. We have investigations. We would absolutely love to add more folks to cold case homicide investigations or some of our crimes against children, right? So it's hard to say. What resource is more important? Is it more important for investigation? Is it more important to have resources at a substation? Is it more important to have visibility with traffic enforcement? Is it more important to have more trainers to create a better culture at the police department, right? It just depends on where everyone's priority is. Okay. Thank you, Chief. Councilwoman Ponce. Thank you, Mayor. So, hi, Chief. I only have two questions. If more resources go to Western Ranch and Sierra Vista, how will that affect the response times in other neighborhoods? It could, because what we're going to try to do is have those resources dedicated to Western Ranch and Sierra Vista, where that's our constant connection, right? So meaning all the officers that are working patrol that are not in that area are now going to be dedicated to serve a greater area with... FOR LESS OFFICERS, RIGHT? SO IT CAN IMPACT THE GREATER RESPONSE TIMES. IT CAN IMPACT CALLS FOR EMERGENCY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OF OFFICERS SITTING AT A SUBSTATION AND THEY HEARD A COMMUNITY MEMBER OR SOMEONE CALLING FOR HELP THAT WAS FIVE MILES AWAY AND THEY'RE THE CLOSEST PERSON TO GET THERE, I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO USE COMMON SENSE AND JUST BREAK OFF AND DEFEND LIFE AND PROPERTY. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE RHETORIC HEARING FROM PATROL is already lean, they're already thin, they're, wow, they're taking more from us, right? That's more calls for service, they get a handle throughout the city, but now we have to go do that, right? So those are the type of conversations that come up. Thank you. And then also, what happened with the last Western Rent substation, and what were the reasons for closing it? Well, it opened in 2006. It stayed open a couple years. The financial crisis happened in 08. And they reassessed how effective it was at that time. At that time, they only had a community service officer there. Not a lot was happening there. My understanding that the CSO was dedicated to the location. If a community member needed a report, then that community service officer would call for an officer to come to the station. When an officer was available, they would come to the station, write the report. At their other events or stuff, they would be pre-planned to happen there. this fall at that time again with staffing became very lean going to bankruptcy that it'd be most effective to have all wheels on the ground. Thank you Chief. Councilwoman Padilla. Thank you Mayor. You know again there's no predictions and this is an ongoing cost and as Councilmember Ponce just ask the question about closure and there was one in District 2 closure I would just hate to see you know we do this substation two substations and then you know it fail and there again there's no crystal ball guarantees as to you know that we're gonna have the revenues to keep it ongoing and and the officers to facilitate the substation. In regards to the lease, the annual lease, on top of the $39,000, are you aware, do you know what other expenses that we might have within that lease? Yes, ma'am. Okay so for ongoing expenses you're looking at you know phone costs, alarm, utilities, cleaning, just kind of the normal maintenance kind of items needed or expenses needed to maintain a small building. on the like on the building so are we we're responsible for the upkeep just like any renter would be yeah usually like a triple net so you know we'll be responsible for maintaining the inside of the building to a certain degree we'll build out you know whatever the department needs as far as you know spatial area um you know desk counters that kind of stuff the city would incur those costs okay thank you you're welcome vice mayor Thank you, Mayor. Hold on, Chad, don't go too far. Okay, so I want to say a couple things. I'm hearing the questions. I just want to make sure that I'm understanding the conversation properly. Taking this back to when we started talking about police substations, I think, Councilwoman Ponce, you also mentioned that you wanted one in your district, and we had a conversation with Visionary Home Builders and actually found a location. So that may be phase two of this process where we explore how we bring community policing closer to communities that need that. I just want to understand the conversation we're having right now. When we talk about police substations in Sierra Vista, I lived in that community when there were people that work here that were not there. So I just want to say that they were not just policing Sierra Vista. There was a unit there, but they were southeast Stockton. So right now we have a gang war between, as most of you in public service know, between Nightingale and another gang in the immediate area. So the visibility of having a substation in that area is not to have officers, so I'm just clear so that way there's not that expectation. that officers are sitting in an office and not responding to the needs of our community, but these are actually people assigned to a location closer to where there is a greater need and there's a lot of violence happening in that community that can be of service to that community in establishing relationships and quicker response times. But it just sounds like the conversation is the expectation that they're sitting in an office away from doing what they do now. And again, I did offer a zero... COST POLICY OR ZERO COST OPTION TO AVOID US EVEN HAVING THIS PRESENTATION. SO I DID WANT TO SAY THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION THAT FOLKS WANT TO GO IN. WITH RESPECT TO THE COST, DID WE FIND FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE IT TONIGHT? SO WE IDENTIFIED ONE-TIME FUNDING. THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO It would fund the startup costs and the ongoing costs for fiscal year 25-26. There was discretionary funds allocated in 21-22 to the teen center. We've gone out for a couple of projects or a couple of RFPs. We have not been successful in trying to find somebody to come in and occupy it in the way in which we advertised it. I think the thought right now is that the teen center brings more value as a building itself that the city owns than maybe offering that up in some kind of a partnership rather than trying to allocate city funds to try and rehab the center. So Tina McCarty and I presented out earlier this year an improvement cost to the teen center. We estimated at around 10 to 12 million. So right now the discretionary funds are sitting in the teen center project, they're not being used and they haven't been used since 21, 22. Thank you for that. In addition to that, I mean, there's, uh, there's other things happening. I mean, with respect to, uh, developing youth programs in the city with the be well campus, I helped them get the 132 million from the state. Uh, we currently have, uh, letters from, uh, everyone from McNerney to Rhodesia to, um, Josh harder to help us with, uh, figuring out how to get more resources here for our young people and I know that the chief and his team has done a phenomenal job with their program at connecting community resources. Should we move forward, what work would we have to do as a city to continue to look for additional funding to maintain this? I know that there's grant teams that we've developed, there's grant teams at the police department. What resources would we have to put into continuing to keep this moving forward? probably not called it qualified to speak on what kind of grants pd law enforcement kind of grants right um i think the overall cost moving forward is right around 150 to 200 000-ish um based off of the annual contribution from the housing authority um as far as you know city budgeting you know again it's been the um you know, recommendation of staff being cautious in, you know, approving any ongoing funds where we haven't identified revenue sources for in coming years. As far as budget purposes, you know, the department at this time seems to be utilizing all of their budgets. So identifying new sources would depend on whatever grant opportunities there are or potential revenue in the future. So just so we're clear on the ongoing funding because if I recall our last conversation when Sager was here we were talking about staffing as there's already cost built into I think the budget we approved 190 million or something for the department there's already chief correct me if I'm wrong the funding for the officers that would be assigned to these areas are already built into the existing budget that we approved right? Yes. Okay. So the cost that we're actually talking about with respect to consideration here in the ongoing funding is what annually minus the contribution by housing? So I think roughly we have that cost around $150,000 to about $170,000. So we're saying $150,000 to $170,000 annual, and the contribution from housing is a $300,000 annual contribution? No, one time. One time, okay. So with the one-time funding, we're saying about $170,000 annual funding on top of what is already allocated for staff. Okay. Okay. So would we now just make a motion? I have just a question. Oh, let's go to public comment. Yolanda Amen. I've been here since two. OK, I just wanted to talk on this a little bit because I got to speak on it when we first brought it after you guys got into office. And for me, living in Reston Ranch, we don't have the luxury that you guys have on 8 Mile. You guys have the luxury of popping over to Walmart. You have wonderful resources out there, things that you can do, activities. We don't have anything on the south side. I get that you guys are asking questions about the cost and all that stuff. But at the same time, I think our side, our children, our residents, we deserve to have something nice as well. We are always kind of forgotten. No one ever thinks about what we might be going through over there. Every time I go to Food for Less, I get asked if I want to buy drugs. Now we have little prostitutes running around. They're now getting young girls out there. There is a need for this in my community. And I would like, if we do have this passed, If you guys are so concerned about the money, then kind of do something where you review it and see what's going on. I would hope within a year to two years, each one of your districts would have one of these. I feel that's the ultimate goal, not just the Southside, not just Western Ranch or Sierra Vista. I would love to see a substation in everybody's district, if you're 8 Mile or if you're Western Ranch. So I ask you and I'm telling you that we really do need this in our community. We are tired of our youth getting shot. We are tired of just the crime that's going on, houses and cars and everything else. When I am on the Planning Commission, which I don't say very much here, but any time that I have to vote on something, you can ask staff. If it's not my district, I go out there and sit there for an hour to two hours so that I can make a rational decision before I do a yes or no vote. I ask you to come out and sit in Western Ranch in different areas to see what we have to go to on the daily. Mary Elizabeth. Mary Elizabeth. I'm all in favor of substations. I think it would be a great focal point to add some of those other services that the chief spoke about, you know, to have that location. But I'm very concerned about the teen center. And, you know, thinking of the teen center as just a building because that teen center is actually the only community center for midtown and downtown. You know, we don't have Stribble Park. You know, we don't have Oak Park. you know, and what we used to have was the YMCA that, you know, is long gone now, but that was a focal point for our community. And so when I see, you know, like staff talking about, well, we see the value for a building, you know, it hurts my heart, you know, because we have people getting older and we have a lot of... older developments downtown, that could be a community center for older people during the day, in the afternoons, transition to a teen center, and we really need to build community downtown. Thank you. Pat Barrett. you great stuff thank you so much saw your horses they weren't in my district but they're okay i'm in the eldorado corridor but i'm okay with that because right above north of me i have the police station but i do want to say this council member putty remember you took me home one night and you said oh my god it's so dark out here and then we went like this and all down my streets and everything you're like oh my god the holes in the street This is one of the reasons why South Stockton really needs this communication with the police department. One thing the police department isn't doing is showing themselves in our district. You're there if it needs to be done. But we don't have that rapport. Oh, sorry. We don't have that rapport. And one of the most important things is having that rapport. I remember Nightingale back in the 80s. Bad. We need that. We have gangs, we have the negativity of the people down there. We need to have that rapport to where they can say, hey, look, there's presence, there's presence. I don't see presence in the south side. I'm sorry, maybe we have lack of crime, but what I'm saying is the only time I see presence is when there's seven cars or five cars at one spot. But to have somebody there present, in our neighborhood deters a lot. And so I have some guy come and ask me about my neighborhood today because their house across the street was for rent. The bottom line is we do need that support and we do need it in our neighborhood and it is dark down there and I still have to walk to my car tonight by myself at City Hall. So I'm for it, we need it, give it to us. We'll find the money. We're going to have all these houses giving us taxes. Brandi Boyd. Do you know what it feels like to have bullets flying over your head? Do you know what it feels like to pull into your driveway and have kids in the backseat and hear gunshots all around you and you can't protect the people that are in your car. Random things like this happen all of the time on the south area. It's so fast that you can't even call the police. They're here and gone before you know it. It's something that is needed. The presence is needed. I don't know what else to say but it's not a good feeling. I shouldn't know what it feels like to have bullets flying around you. And I do. So I feel like it's bigger than just thinking is something that you know maybe all of Stockton needs but there are certain areas that needed more and Southside Sierra Vista Western Ranch those are the areas. ALBERTO GONZALES. So I just wanted to speak on the subject when I. started helping out for the campaigns. For a few of you, if there are actually, I've done signs for, I could count, I mean, more than half. My promise to the people in Sierra Vista, Coral Valley, Western Ranch, Sixth Street, was that we were gonna get the substations back like we used to. So yes, we need it, not just for the officers to sit in the office, but so that people know that they're there and their presence is present. And the reason that I decided to help and try to get people elected was because one night I'm driving down the airport, turning right on Ralph to go home. Me and my wife get shot. Thank God I have a Mercedes that stops the bullets because it's the bulletproof edition. Other than that, she would have got shot. Who shot at us? I don't know. We call the cops. Fire report online. So, yes, we do need the substations in the south side. And I'm the type of person that I would. I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CHASED THE PERSON AND TOOK MATTERS IN MY HANDS, BUT I'M OLDER. I WANT PROTECTION FOR MY GRANDKIDS AND FOR MY DISTRICT AND FOR ALL OF THE SOUTH SIDE, ALL OF STOCKTON. SO EVENTUALLY WE SHOULD HAVE A SUBSTATION IN EVERY DISTRICT, BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED POLICE PRESENCE IN THE SOUTH SIDE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. LAN PHONG NGUYEN. HELLO AGAIN. I don't live in District 6, but I have friends who live in District 6, and when I visit them, even like 8, 9 o'clock, I just have to rush home because I don't feel safe, you know, driving around there. So, you know, by listening to the residents from District 6 that we need that substation, so then, you know, we need to find the money to fund that. I have one suggestion. Because today we talk about, you know, the fee waiver for the development, right, for economic stimulus. So next time that item will be back to vote on that. Maybe we should consider to reduce that fee into half. So we still can continue that program, but reduce the fee and use that fee to help to fund this substation. Thank you. That concludes public comment for this item. Okay, okay. So there was something mentioned that I was really interested in that the Vice Mayor brought up was that community policing bridge center. How exactly does that work? I mean... What does it look like? Yeah. What does it look like? Of course I would also take funding, and I would say probably a little bit bigger area because now we're incorporating more resources, more departments. And the idea behind it was to have, again, a place where we provide several different resources to a community, whether it's after school tutoring, after school sports, police presence, fire, you know, first aid training, bicycle safety, just all the different things that most families want to have access to. And where would we do something like that at? That we did not develop, but it would have to be a larger park, right, would be ideal. Or one of our community centers? Yeah, like Van Besker, right? It's just a massive location where a lot of people are familiar with. You know, that's where it's close to a lot of families. That would probably be an option. Okay. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I HEAR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I JUST PULLED UP OUR CRIME STATS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD AS OF MONDAY, OR YESTERDAY, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SHOOTING IN DISTRICT 4 IN COUNCILMEMBER HENRIQUE'S DISTRICT AT CALDWELL PARK, WHICH IS IN A HIGHLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO um you know spreading out amongst all our districts you know there's been Ponce de Leon very active area or Oak Park I'm just saying we're not we're not absent of shootings that happen pretty much in most of most areas of the city I'm absolutely right anyone born and raised in Stockton knows that shoots happen north south east and west right there's no doubt about it um there's AREAS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IMPACTED WITH CRIME A LOT MORE, WITH MORE VIOLENT CRIME. WE HAVE NOT HAD A HOMICIDE IN WESTERN RANCH THIS YEAR. AS FAR AS OTHER STATS, AND I PULLED SOME DATA, AS FAR AS RAPES, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE RAPE IN WESTERN RANCH OR SIERRA VISTA. AS FAR AS AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, THERE'S ONE LOCATION THAT IS PROBABLY EIGHTH ON THE LIST AT A TOP 10. AS FAR AS ROBBERIES, did not make the top 10. As far as overall reporting of property crime, did not make the top 10. As far as burglaries, did not make the top 10. As far as larceny and theft, did not make the top 10. As far as motor vehicle thefts, right, stolen vehicles that are stolen, it's fourth in the top 10. As far as arson, it's fifth in the top 10. As far as top 10 location for call volume, it's not in the top 10. Okay. So is there another location that is consistently in the top 10? Because everybody wants to feel safe in their neighborhood. Nobody wants a child to die. Nobody wants a parent You know, nobody wants anybody to fall victim to gun violence. Either a shooting and they survive or a shooting and they don't. Nobody wants that anywhere in this city. We want to eradicate that. You've done, you know, you're doing your job. We were 33 last year at this time. We're at 22. 22 too many, though, still. I think we would all agree to that. And so I'm just... 22, is there one place that has them more than anywhere else? Or of the 60 shootings this year, is there one place that's more than anywhere else? Captain Morris, Special Projects for the Chief's Office. I can tell you that two of the top ones that are currently listed is District 346, Mosher's Loo, south to Hammer Lane, Union Pacific Railroad tracks east to West Lane. That's typically one of the top ones. The way we determine that is through our ICAP. It's intelligence, communication, and planning. What we do is we look at analytics to include human intelligence. We use our personnel, get a meeting every two months, and determine where we're going to be designating our hotspot. And that is really to reduce any crime related to gun violence. In order to prevent homicides, we need to mitigate that. And so that is one of the top districts consistently. The second one we have is Also in the Park District, give me just a minute. Typically the radius there is, I would say about the crosstown, south to about Charter Way, all the way to about Edison, and north, just in that jurisdiction. So consistently, if you're gonna ask me one south, one north, that's where those two locations are. But if we want to talk about what I have here, which was pulled, the data that Chief was speaking of, the second location after the Hammer Lane, Mosier Slough area would be March Lane, south to the Calaveras River, El Dorado Street, east to Tanglewood Lane, and Dorset. And that is just south of March Lane, Kentville, Bianchi area, so that would be number two. And typically, we decide one south and one north, so we're addressing both sides of the city consistently. And I would just say I'm asking that because, you know, Vice Mayor brought this, you know, to the forefront and has championed it. And you just went through not in the top ten, not in the top ten. So I'm just looking at effectiveness if we wanted to see, you know, really the impact of it. You know, that's all I'm saying. And the other thing, you know, I would like to delve in deeper. But the other thing is, you know, the teen center. I know, you know, I am ready. I mean, we are a very teen-centered, youth-centered, sorry. We're a very youth-centered council. You know, we have, you know. educators up here we have somebody who works at the University you know up here we have parents up here we're obviously a very youth focused council and and I know that that the vice mayor's talked about bringing back the teen center that that's a goal of his because it's very personal to him so I I know it's only 600,000 or whatnot but I also hear what know you know Mary Elizabeth mentioned as well that you know gosh we have so many needs in our city we just we just have so many needs we don't have enough money to take care of it but I knowing where our most where the the need is most in our city so anyway vice mayor Thank you, Mayor. You say I am ready. I'm going to not go there. But yes, we're on the same page with that. Yeah, the teen center is personal. We talked about it as a building. Everybody knows my brother died there. So I don't want to politic that because it's a very sensitive thing for me. And oftentimes when we have these conversations, I have to really remind myself to stay in it objectively and not take things personal or... to act on emotion, and it requires a lot of restraint for me personally. I just want to say a conversation I had earlier with the council. Somebody told me, kind of giving me political encouragement that Stockton sometimes looks at things emotionally or personally, not necessarily practically, right? When we talk about $150,000, we gave $125,000 to the Lantern Festival. We figured that out. We're talking about $170,000 annual that I'm sure at a fundraiser or a crab feed we can figure that out as a city. When we talk about the things that we used to have as a city, I want to go back to the golf land, Kelly Free Teen Center, Kennedy, Stribbley, Boys and Girls Club. I can go on and on and on. We've lost a lot of things. I don't want us to become emotionally enthralled in all the things we lost as a city that needs to focus on how we move forward. The purpose of establishing substations, and I can't wait to help. member, Council Member Ponce with her district, and like Lance said, or somebody said, we have one in every district, somebody said that. Yeah, the idea is that we're going back to, or you said, I don't know who said it, it's been a long night, is that we're getting back to community policing. We're getting back to having established presence in all of our districts at some point through strategic outreach to our partners in the federal, state, government, county. And when we talk about teen center, to Mary Elizabeth's point, I just want to say, One project doesn't mean we take our eyes off the other project. The police department doesn't look at dealing with this one issue but then take their eyes off these issues. They look at the whole city. That's why I have a letter from Behavioral Health about helping to partner on a youth center. That's why I have something from Rhodesia Ransom, Jerry McNerney, and Congressman Harder. and this letter from my colleague and partners at the city who are going to work with us to get funding for the youth center. So that's another project that'll be on another track. It's not like we're taking our eyes off of that. I want to come back to this, the intent and why we all voted to even get here tonight. I want to remind everybody that. I want to remind that staff went and found the funding. We had a call where we actually talked about, I think you were on the call too, where we talked about, hey, if we can't find $150,000, $170,000, then let me go back in my... mind and come up with a zero cost plan that we can start getting back to having more accountability to our communities and doesn't mean and I want to just be very clear this is not to say that our officers are not dedicated to our communities because they were out there for national night out they've been out there for everything and they have a relationship with our our constituents this is really about building a stronger deeper presence specifically not just because it's my district a district that does need it the most I do want to say I don't know how many of my colleagues have had a shooting in front of one of their schools. I know Edison did. And I know I was there when that happened. I left an event in Syracuse and had to go there. And I remember sitting in my Jeep watching these kids normalize at a taco truck when there's a shooting that just happened literally right across the street because that's what's happened. We had the 14-year-old killed in Western Ranch by the adult, I think 4 or 5 in the morning, which parents... what's the project called parent um parenting with a purpose parenting with purpose right connecting these substations and making sure that parents when they come in there they're getting connected to the fact that they have to have some ownership over this community right um and again uh I don't have a map in front of me with the whole city to put red dots everywhere there's been a shooting but I know from PowerPoints and ovp that I've looked at is one shooting could be one point something million dollars and the homicide is 3.1 million so just three shoot three people shot last week in my district if you add that up that's three million dollars so again i don't think 170 000 is a lot to ask i do think it does require us to like be creative in how we keep that funding going because we can't expect you to keep the doors open if we can't do our job right so i do I will say, in addition to us, if we do pass this tonight, which I hope we do since we heard from the public and staff has done the work, that we own the responsibility of continuing to seek funding and support so that way you can continue to provide great service. So that said, I'd like to make, oh, another person? Okay, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. So, first of all, I'm not going to apologize for ever asking questions with, that are relative to finances. But I will apologize if my questions do sound like that I'm not being supportive. I do acknowledge that there does need to be police presence in the south side in District 6. You did clearly state that police presence is a major deterrent. We both had that discussion. I would just like to see... how the bridge center would potentially look and what that financial impact might be. For example, there was a comment made about a person being shot in a vehicle out in the public. What's the difference or what is the, you know, a substation versus this bridge center opportunity. I mean that's all I'm trying to obtain clarity is active police presence versus individual substation. Okay let me clarify this with our we have a community police officer program right where It's a phased schedule. So what it does is it gives you officers that are dedicated to the area, which is similar, and it's a phased schedule meaning it's seven days a week. So seven days a week you have a two-person unit that is dedicated to your district where they get very familiar because they're there just on weekdays. that are seven days a week, and they go later into the night, right? Something like a modified swing, whether it be 12 to 10, 10 to 8, whatever works best for the community, we morph those hours. That's something a little more sustainable because there's no cost involved. It's just within, again, it's within our own staffing. The force, as far as teams, they prefer that because in case of emergency, they still have that car as a resource. and a car-safe mobile. Those same cars also have the option to set up appointments and meetings on different days of the week where they can meet community members. These are some locations where they can go to. We have them throughout the city where officers can go write reports, have meetings with victims, witnesses. where they can discuss crime with people. We have those throughout the city already, right? They're not substations. They're just areas where businesses have opened their doors to us after hours for report writing, eating lunch, using restroom. But the officers also utilize that to connect with community members, right? A lot of times they get information about crime at those locations. So in the form of that community police officer, they're on phase work. They're still part of the bigger picture, but they are the go-to contacts that have dedicated phone numbers to really personalize experience with the district that they're working in. Can I ask a clarifying question? Okay, so we're talking about this funding piece. What's in the financial summary is more than what we're talking about. I realize it includes the officers, but I'm looking at the hard costs, hard costs are what we would have to pay before we could open it. Well, as far as this, if we go the community police officer route, there are no, other than having dedicated vehicles for that, there are no other costs, right? So there'll be very minimal upfront costs. I'm sorry, am I on the wrong chart? No, no, no, I'm intrigued by the community policing bridge center because I, or program, I didn't know, I didn't know about it. I know about community policing, that bridge center piece or bridge program wasn't on there. Yeah, now that's not including a bridge center, that's just another form of us being dedicated to a community. Oh, okay, okay. Where there's low impact to staffing and it's still, offers more visibility and concentration. So I'm looking at the difference between Western Ranch and Sierra Vista, the dollar amounts. The hard costs, that's what we have to take care of before it's actually opened. Yes? Correct, we're talking about substations, right? Yes. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Right? DCM? Because I'm trying, I hear what the vice mayor's saying, but I'm looking at what's in the staff report. So I'm trying to make the connection between the different, because 150,000, yeah. Yeah, so on the attachment in the staff report, that'll outline ongoing costs. That's the 150,000 that I believe the vice mayor is speaking to. The hard cost is the startup cost and the first year funding for fiscal year 25-26. That's just for the space. that is for the hard hard cost for the vehicles the space the utilities to finish out fiscal years not our officers oh i think i i i hear you now the question about the bridge center so let me back up we had a meeting uh i i came to chief and i said i want to open substations There was no more context really to that right, Chief, when I said that. Chief came back with a presentation, an actual built-out model, whole PowerPoint of a bridge center. And it was overwhelming at first because I was like, that wasn't my original concept. But once I got past my own personal thoughts and actually saw what he was suggesting, it is a bigger project that requires more space, that has a vision that includes more than just what I had originally thought, that I think actually will be better for the community in long term. I think what we talked about was how do we phase into that, knowing that, like, we have real budget restrictions. How do we start with addressing the needs of the community with something that grows into this bigger vision that's going to require lots of political support to go out and find funding? It is a beautiful idea, a concept that I think also pairs well with the program that you have for parents getting involved, community resource and partnership, right? We're going to have to do a lot of work as a council to, like, call on people to help us get funding for that, because we didn't even cost out what that would look like, right? But there is a visual that he can e-mail us that we can see what the vision of the long term looks like. This is the start of that process. I make a motion to approve. Second. A friendly amendment? Because just like we did earlier tonight about looking for that ongoing funding, whether we can afford it or not, or if that money comes in from those other sources that you have support letters for? So are we going to be able to afford the ongoing funding and taking of officers? I'm not suggesting that we take officers from anywhere. I don't know the current staffing model at the police department because I haven't dug deep into how they staff the city. My assumption is that there are officers dedicated to certain areas within the city throughout the day, night, and weeks. And if there's a crisis, staff are pulled to deal with crisis however you have to respond based on the need. But what I believe is the implementation of the substation allows there to be officers assigned to that area as a remote location in that area that can respond to things in that area quicker. Yeah, I don't think that it changes that. I don't know how far we are off now from the vote of what the amendment would be, but. Yeah, I'm just looking at the numbers. Right. So just to recap, what I think we did was we voted as a council to pursue substations. We directed staff to go back and find funding. Staff found funding. Now we're voting to approve it, understanding that in order to maintain that there's a partnership with the housing to provide resources and there's space that they've donated in Sierra Vista, too, correct? So housing donated a location and have provided funding? One-time funding. Okay. We can always go back to our partners and see what they'd want to do. I mean, the fact that they stepped up is great. And then from there, I think to do anything in this city, we're going to have to continue to find money, right? That's our job. We have tax sharing agreement coming, JPA. We have fire services at the port that's still an option. I mean, there's so many other avenues for collecting revenue. and attracting business, which is our job. So I'm confident that we can find $170,000 a year to help us keep our community safer. And we do have a location in the Western Ranch. Yep, right there where the problem is, right there. And the location of Western Ranch, Chief, is where the Food for Less Center is. Are we proceeding with the friendly amendment or are we going off the original motion? I don't think we did an amendment. He's going to find the money or he's going to pay for it himself. I'll own it. He's going to pay for it himself. And I just I need Mayor and Councilmember Ponce to vote. carries six four six to one okay it's 1152 I'm making a motion to adjourn we have a motion in second council please vote motion carries 7 to 0 good night